Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Yes.
I could shift the thread to where it should have been started,but it isnt my baby.Now you blokes have trashed our coffee machine and agreed that D4's are superior in every way and gone back to discussing modifying your toys to keep up I think Terry can shift the thread down to you blokes' turf
Andrew

Well IF D4's are superior in every way thread is in the right place. I'm looking forward to the opportunity off roading with a D4 alongside either of my Defenders. Particularly over the long term, touring HD tracks. We'll see which is superior....

Sorry fellas.
I though the fact that you blokes were discussing modifications was an admission of defeat.
If you are going to hang around how about a new coffee machine,plus some coffee milk and sugar.We have been making Terry pay for it all since he invited you rabble in here
Andrew

Originally Posted by AndyG

So who makes the best cardon shaft

GBR Utha hands down

Bloody oil everywhere over the shag pile carpet in our parking lot since you Deefer steerers turned up
Andrew

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Sorry fellas.
I though the fact that you blokes were discussing modifications was an admission of defeat.
If you are going to hang around how about a new coffee machine,plus some coffee milk and sugar.We have been making Terry pay for it all since he invited you rabble in here
Andrew

He he... I'll make you a real coffee anytime LandyAndy. But not sure you D4 guys could handle a real cafe doppio with no milk ...black as oil

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Sorry fellas.
I though the fact that you blokes were discussing modifications was an admission of defeat.
If you are going to hang around how about a new coffee machine,plus some coffee milk and sugar.We have been making Terry pay for it all since he invited you rabble in here
Andrew

Actually, the op admitted in the first post the only way a D3/4 can match a stock defender is if it's modified with the largest possible tyres. so that would make it an admission of defeat on page 1, post 1?
Seriously though, lies, damm lies and statistics. lr's own numbers show defender better approach, departure and ramp. Narrower body, significantly lighter weight and better payload. Search online, defender fewer fatal accidents per 1000 2 vehicle smashes than disco, also defender better RTI.
Now here's a challenge for TerryO, insurance. What's the comprehensive cost on a new $65,000 defender and a new $80,000+ disco? This will tell you several things, how many are in prangs, how many do your theoretical tumble, and how often their at.fault..... See with virtually the entire alphabet in caps lock 3 letter block, inside a Disco, they should almost never be in an at fault accident, roll or have their occupants injured, so the Disco premium should be way less that the Defender.

The fact the question was asked at all tells volumes, esp with a lot of one sided qualifications. Surprised car park roof height was not a criteria, that's off road by Disco standards

Biggest mistake I made was modding the Defer at all. stock does everything I want. Even the right tyre size.