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  1. 31st January 2016, 03:17 PM #731
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    Quote Originally Posted by manic View Post
    Errrr no it isn't. Different body and D3 era. Plus not mentioned in OP. So stop talking about crossover cup holders and accept that the defender is the better vehicle for major offroad missions.

    You d3/4 owners made some good points. Alot can be said for the engine/auto/TC management in those vehicles and its ability to push on in the rough. But they do not come close to offering the offroad diversity of the defender platform for serious offroad use in a wide range of applications. They cannot be modified to the same extremes and they cannot compete on factory wheels. It's over.

    D3/4 owners you are rightfully proud owners and I salute you.


    I didn't think I needed to explain all the details as somebody else had already covered/alluded to it. Sorry, I should have been more explicit.


    To simplify it, a RRS (up till the latest ones) were basically a more lux body and interior on the same running gear as D3 & 4. There are RRS of the same era as the D4 that have this principle applied. The change over to the new chassis isn't that old and D4 has been around for over 6 years. So yes the YEAR isn't 100% accurate in my statement .... but you get what I meant?


    I was trying to save myself from typing that .... LOL!!!


    The relevance being .... an RRS is just as capable as it's D3/4 counterpart of the same era. That was really my only point.
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    While yes there are a number of differences between a RRS and a Disco Manic, there is a pretty good reason why this particular section is called the D3/D4/RRS section. ...
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    Its funny because in the misadventure 4wd vids the RRS even with steel wheels does it tough compared to a D4, D2 with mild lift and Deefer. Gordon might chime in here as he has/had one and I have not wheeled with a RRS.

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    Was the e-diff as widely available in the rrs as it was the disco?
    From memory the misadventure rrs had a traction control issue for a fair few videos.
    Perhaps Jimmy Salsa can confirm for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Its funny because in the misadventure 4wd vids the RRS even with steel wheels does it tough compared to a D4, D2 with mild lift and Deefer. Gordon might chime in here as he has/had one and I have not wheeled with a RRS.

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    How old is the RRS do you know? The point being the traction control system has improved all the way through the models, even in the D4s. My MY13 reacts far faster than my MY10 did. So maybe that's it.


    Probably be a different story if Gordon was driving the RRS .... LOL! Just saying .
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  6. 31st January 2016, 04:09 PM #736
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    Sure but he has done a lot of offroading now in difficult terrain. Not sure of year. It looked to have less articulation but that must be optical illusion if they are same spec as d4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Sure but he has done a lot of offroading now in difficult terrain. Not sure of year. It looked to have less articulation but that must be optical illusion if they are same spec as d4...

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    I 'think' the wheelbase is slightly shorter. I was under the impression the rest was close as can be.
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    Yes and if everything else is the same it should be slightly better than a d4 but it wasnt on any of the extensive outings they did. There are parts where he took the same line as D2, D4 etc and it didn't look to be driver error. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Yes and if everything else is the same it should be slightly better than a d4 but it wasnt on any of the extensive outings they did. There are parts where he took the same line as D2, D4 etc and it didn't look to be driver error. Who knows.

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    I thought wheelbase was a variable .... as in different terrain or circumstances can suit either in different ways making one have an advantage over the other from time to time?
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    Agreed but in many of the vids a shorty defender for example would be a weapon and the D2 is 100 inch...
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