Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

**Celtoid** · 10th February 2016, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by gghaggis

I don't recall seeing anywhere where LR have said they required larger brakes due to weight. I know a few people on this and other threads have suggested that, but it didn't come from LR. As you said, the D3 and D4 are equivalent in weight and size. The various D4 pre-launch info packs said it was to improve the Traction Control and limit fading, which the D3 could be prone to do. Of course, it also improved general stopping ability, but I don't read that as being the primary reason.

The size of the heat fins on the front callipers may have been an over-reaction, but I'd be cautious about modifying them extensively. I took 3mm off a D4 calliper when we were trying to fit the GMAX rims and there didn't seem to be any side-effects, but then we weren't pushing the TC in hot conditions. The GMAX still wouldn't fit without an illegal offset, and the LR 18" rims wouldn't fit at all.

Regarding the off-road ability of the "D5", LRE UK have been told it will be better.

Cheers,

Gordon

Which is probably why the new Deefer will be built upon the same bones ..... LOL!!!!

Wouldn't that just kill the Deefer guys ....

**ozscott** · 10th February 2016, 07:19 PM

It probably will be built on the same bones. But with better clearance, angles etc and smaller rims. The fact of shared platform with D5 wont kill the existing Defender owners!

Cheers

MrLandy · 10th February 2016, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

It probably will be built on the same bones. But with better clearance, angles etc and smaller rims. The fact of shared platform with D5 wont kill the existing Defender owners!

Cheers

It all depends on whether it's a soft roader platform or not

**1nando** · 10th February 2016, 08:56 PM

I can honestly say that once i am in the market place for a new 4wd (one day in the future) i will be looking for something with lives axels. If that is not available then i will have to consider my options carefully. Jeep and Toyota may be the only options one day, or not...

My opinion.

**rar110** · 10th February 2016, 09:06 PM

LR won't want the new Defender to take sales away from the D5 market. I think the D5 will look similar to the L494 with slightly steeper angles and be aimed at the affordable luxury buyers.

I think the new Defender will have some visible connection to the DS, D5, RRS & RRV, without the same level of luxury. Although I bet there will be a luxury model. But it will probably also have some visible connection to the old Defender. Underneath it will be a D3/4 including with a 6 speed auto and T5 chassis, again so to differentiate from the rest of the range. A 130 style vehicle might get rear coils but I doubt it. Trucks have been running EAS for years. 18" wheels will be standard. The motor won't have the high power/weight ratio of the other models, but will be a more powerful workhorse than the current model. It will probably miss out on xenon lights.

**ozscott** · 10th February 2016, 09:12 PM

LR keep saying that the new Deefer will be clearly their best offroad vehicle in the range...should be interesting. Cheers

**TerryO** · 10th February 2016, 10:20 PM

Well I guess it was always going to end up this way with the Defenders owners hanging around the Disco area trying to figure out what the new Defender will be like. ...

Don't worry guys it will be great, after all it will be a Disco with a square old school style body on it to make all you nostalgic types feel like you haven't been completely abandoned.

As for it having live axles, why on earth would they want to wreck it?

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**ozscott** · 11th February 2016, 06:28 AM

While I prefer live axles in an offroader i doubt even Toyota will keep them in the longer term with the push to reduce weight and have more car like handling. But hey that's what the second hand market it for. Having a well sorted D1, D2, RRC or original Defender will be like owning a GTHO for weekend drives and having a faster electric hybrid for the working week. Your weekends will be full of character and will satisfy the hunter gatherer part of the brain in an otherwise anemic world of whispering silence and magic carpet rides.

Cheers

Cheers

**TerryO** · 11th February 2016, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by ozscott

Your weekends will be full of character and will satisfy the hunter gatherer part of the brain in an otherwise anemic world of whispering silence and magic carpet rides.

Cheers

Cheers

You must drink a very interesting brew of coffee first thing in the morning Scott. ...

**ozscott** · 11th February 2016, 06:39 AM

Yes mate. I roast my own. This week its from Tanzania. Rich Crema and a viscous long pour with no hint on blonding at all as a ristretto...bugger sounding like a Disco owner.

Cheers

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