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  1. 25th March 2016, 06:48 PM #1
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    New Territory engine in D3, Engine System Fault, please help

    Hi all, you might be aware that I'm putting a Territory motor in my D3. We have gotten to the "start day" today, and have got almost everything done. Still needs brake fluid and bleed (no fluid yet in system), and also needs a couple of connectors plugged in, such as the front suspension distribution valve block. So, the vehicle cranks easily, and we have checked that there is diesel at the main bleed valve at the rail on top of the motor. But, it will not fire at all. There are multiple system faults that are coming up, such as HDC, Park Brake, Transmission etc... These are possibly because of connectors not plugged in. BUT, would this stop the engine from firing at all? Maybe because there is no brake fluid?

    Hope to have more info tomorrow when we will lift the whole car again and go over it from front to back for all the connectors etc.

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  2. 26th March 2016, 12:31 PM #2
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    Hi Winajie,
    My suspicion would be that if a faulty brake light switch can bring one of these highly complex vehicle to its knees disconnected wires could well be the reason it won't start. Just a suspicion.
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  3. 26th March 2016, 02:34 PM #3
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    Is there pressurised fuel in the rail?

    Are the crankshaft and camshaft position sensors connected? However if not then I doubt the starter would be operated due to an open circuit on either making it futile to look for timing pulses.
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    Fuel in the rail, yes. Brake switch is nearly new. Have pulled the body again to replace the crank and cam sensors with the original LR ones, in case the Ford ones give different readings. If this doesn't work, then I'll fully reassemble the car and trailer it to an Indie to have it diagnosed.
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  5. 28th March 2016, 09:44 AM #5
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    With how the electrics work on these cars I would make sure first that all connectors are connected and I have brake fluid etc in. Would not expect you need all this but you never know.
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    I assume that you are using the special fitting/alignment tool for the crankshaft position sensor on the basis that its the same as the 3.0.

    Edit: Sorry, the reluctor ring requires a special tool, not the sensor itself.
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    OK, some more info. Have reassembled car today, also replaced diesel filter, but it's still not firing or starting. Found that there is no diesel coming out of the drain at the bottom of the filter. Should there be fuel coming from this drain if I remove the drain plug completely from the drain port? It seems to me that there is no, or very little, diesel in the low pressure rails. I had a look at:

    [ame]https://youtu.be/j6Bjr7axS00[/ame]

    and I do not get the small fountain of diesel like in the video. I'm horrified at the price of replacement pump/sender units; has anyone had success in repairing the pump?

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    Are you around Mark LR Hybrid?

    He had similar fuel pressure issues when he put a Territory engine into his D3. took him ages to sort but his D3 is great now.




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  9. 28th March 2016, 08:52 PM #9
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    You've probably been through the cycle umpteen times anyway but in case it has a fuel cut-off the same as the D4 and it has been triggerred then to reset the cut-off:
    1. put vehicle in park
    2. switch off the ignition and wait 15 minutes
    3. switch on the ignition and wait 30 seconds
    4. start the engine
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    Glad to see its all back together, i havent had time to follow your progress...

    *With the fuel system bleed valve at the top / back of engine, I use a connector that screws on with clear fuel line into a container, you have to make sure there are no bubbles of air left in the system.

    *Also, while you have rectified this (and its only a passing comment) remember talking back with regards to check all ancillary parts are interchangeable, if in doubt use the Land Rover ones.... the crankshaft or any sensor would have fallen into this..

    *Also I'd complete the install, as in everything plugged in that should be plugged in, otherwise you are adding more unknown variables into the equation.

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    P.S the norm when changing fuel filters is to cycle the ignition... on for 10 secs or so (you will hear the pump turn off) then ignition off, do that say 5 times, then bleed the top screw.
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