Thread: Stuff like this is embarrassing

Originally Posted by scarry

The real issue is no one reads the vehicle handbook.They think it does everything itself,so all good.

Correctamundo! My mate has the dealer training day he's gunna do one day.

I can't explain why but on 19"s his Disco sinks like a stone. On his first bogging I did not personally attend he let 'a bit' of air out.

I can report here after checking later that the tyres did not peel off with only 5lbs in them !

From experince, I think Perth sand is the softest in the world....
having dug the car out and a snatch to safety a few times in the early days.

having said that, a little knowledge and experince is a wonderful thing,
im quite impressed how good the D4 on 19 inch tyres can be on very low pressures ( 10 - 12 psi in sand if required ) the genuine rims do hang on to the tyres very well.

( I don't think I will ever forget to turn the DSC off every again, the memories of it stuck in sand up to the doors will never leave me - my back still hurts from all the digging )

jack

Originally Posted by GP1200

From experince, I think Perth sand is the softest in the world....
having dug the car out and a snatch to safety a few times in the early days.

having said that, a little knowledge and experince is a wonderful thing,
im quite impressed how good the D4 on 19 inch tyres can be on very low pressures ( 10 - 12 psi in sand if required ) the genuine rims do hang on to the tyres very well.

( I don't think I will ever forget to turn the DSC off every again, the memories of it stuck in sand up to the doors will never leave me - my back still hurts from all the digging )

jack

mate ... got the same memory (aka nightmare) at Pipidinny beach! see pic

the car was only 3 weeks old and I got it buried good and proper by being a twit and going balls-to-the-wall in the soft stuff. Made a right arse of myself. Didn't know diddly about Terrain Response or DSC needing to be off ... didn't even know where the bloody recovery points were!!

I'm cured now.

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Originally Posted by scarry

I must admit i got very badly stuck on 17" rims......Tyres were at 18psi.

Left DSC onThats what did it,throttle just died,lost all momentum.

In the middle of nowhere,right on dusk,luckily we had the long handled shovel.Tide was coming up,dropped tyres to 12PSI.No one around.

Pitch black by the time we had her moving.

SWMBO and i were absolutely stuffed,bloody hard work that digging.

It remind us the importance of proper 4WD training. I still feel that I am learning more about my D4 from Gordon's training after 2 years of 4WD. Even though I had been beachports twice, I still got bogged twice at the inskip point. This time I got my camper trailer with heavy load, fuel and water. You loose your cool since many of just watching and filming, you might forget the procedure to turn DSC off. The importance is to you learning from where you fail, training plus never travel alone. No long ago, I just pulled a hilux out sandy boat ramp without he asked for help, crowd cheering " Land Rover just save A Toyota", and I did tell them that I had been saved by Toyota before. It is nothing to do which truck is most capable, but more about helping others out of trouble if you see. In the end, we are the gens in the bush.

let's talk about the most capable of 4WD, I was impressed with a Gordon's skill and knowledge during training. He just cruised through the sand dune easily on his 20" rim Range Rover without dropping the tyre pressure, most of us didn't make it even dropped the tyre pressure. The most capable 4WD doesn't award you just by pushing the buttons, but also skill and timing.

Originally Posted by BrianElloy

mate ... got the same memory (aka nightmare) at Pipidinny beach! see pic

the car was only 3 weeks old and I got it buried good and proper by being a twit and going balls-to-the-wall in the soft stuff. Made a right arse of myself. Didn't know diddly about Terrain Response or DSC needing to be off ... didn't even know where the bloody recovery points were!!

I'm cured now.

Reminds me of my first outing on Stockton beach. Despite lower tyre pressures, sand mode, DSC off etc, I still got it buried down to its belly, even on super extended mode. After heaps of shovel work, I finally succumbed to recovery assistance from a Prado (max trax) and a 100 series (snatch). My problem was too much right pedal soon after I started moving thinking I needed more power to increase speed when all I was doing was digging myself deeper - 100% driver error . Lesson 1: avoid wheel spin. Haven't got bogged since.

Another time, I ventured too close to the water's edge in very soft sand with an incoming tide. Managed to get out myself after heaps of shovel work, lowering tyre pressures, low range, DSC off, etc, but gee, that was a 'heart in the mouth' experience that day! Lesson 2: don't venture below the high water mark (including water crossings, etc) unless you are completely certain you can drive back out.

Despite these hiccups (and being an embarrassment to the brand), these are the times I remember most fondly!

Mario

Just don't assume that if you turn DSC off, you won't have any dramas. It will still kick in, even when switched off and kill engine revs and all momentum. Yes, you have to induce more slip and yaw, but it will still happen at the most inopportune time.

Some times one just has to wonder and all you d3/4 , RRS with all this fandangled wis bang technology no offence to those that have spent their hard earned cash on one of these cars .
But do we really need to make it so complicated to operate a 4wd
in different terrain .
Do a 4wd course if your new yes but what gets me is yeah now one has to do a course to operate terrain response oh i have a cdl , hi/lo , F/R lockers so easy to know how to use.
Yes you could say i have complicated my car by adding extra gear but really it is just plain simple to operate .
Look i love all these new things but honestly do we really need such complication to go anywhere where 4wd`s have been going for years with out it
I wiil duck for cover now

Originally Posted by rangieman

Some times one just has to wonder and all you d3/4 , RRS with all this fandangled wis bang technology no offence to those that have spent their hard earned cash on one of these cars .
But do we really need to make it so complicated to operate a 4wd
in different terrain .
Do a 4wd course if your new yes but what gets me is yeah now one has to do a course to operate terrain response oh i have a cdl , hi/lo , F/R lockers so easy to know how to use.
Yes you could say i have complicated my car by adding extra gear but really it is just plain simple to operate .
Look i love all these new things but honestly do we really need such complication to go anywhere where 4wd`s have been going for years with out it
I wiil duck for cover now

I was talking to my LR nut brother about this yesterday.


Take a Deefer for example,in soft sand, select low or high range,centre diff or not,lower tyre pressures.Same as many of the Jap offerings,although you may have to add,lock hubs and select 4WD.

For a d4,in soft sand,make sure it is in off road height,select sand mode,turn off DSC,lower tyre pressures.Remember to reset DSC off every time engine starts,careful as vehicle will lower at 50km/hr,use Rock crawl if forward motion stops.Add 19" rims,lots of weight in to the equation as well.

I know what is simpler.

To be fair,in many other 4WD situations,the D4 is easier and simpler to use,and way more comfortable than anything else around