Page 1 of 6 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 56

Thread: About to change Brakes to fit 17" rims

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    41
    Total Downloaded
    0

    About to change Brakes to fit 17" rims

    Hi Guys,

    After some issues in remote parts sourcing 19" tyres (or even finding a place that can change 19" tyres on their machines) I'm pretty much decided to change my brakes over to accommodate 17" rims.

    I have a 2016 Disco 4 SDV6.

    I have looked at the aftermarket green oval 18" rims, but cannot even get an email response from them, plus, only going 1" smaller hardly seems worth it.

    So I am looking at fitting 2.7Litre TDV6 D4 brakes to my D4 and 17" rims.

    I'm not after discussion on WHY I am doing this, I would prefer help on HOW to do it right.

    My insurance company is ok with it, as long as it is road legal, so I am going to still talk to our motor reg compliance people and talk to an engineer about it.

    I am looking for anyone who already done this or done the research.

    From what I can tell the following is the brake spec differences.

    Disco 4 TDV6 2.7Litre
    • Front brake diameter 317 mm
    • Rear brake diameter 325 mm
    2016 Discovery 4 SDv6 3.0 litre
    • Front brake diameter 360 mm
    • Rear brake diameter 350 mm

    I also found a 2010 review that stated the new Discover 4's brake setup is based on the four-piston, opposed-calliper performance system used on the Range Rover Sport. 360mm ventilated front disc and a single piston sliding calliper working on a 350mm ventilated disc on the rear.

    I am struggling to find much more info on the actual difference in calliper setup.

    I am going to get Triump rover spares to do the work.
    They are suggesting just fitting stock 2.7Litre brakes, i.e. new rotors, second hand callipers and new pads.

    I was thinking of at least sourcing slotted and vented rotors, but I would also be happy to spend a little more and get better callipers too.

    I did find these guys sell a kit, and have emailed them (They are in Italy), but this kit is going be $2k plus supply only, bit high.
    http://www.mudtech4x4.com/en/brakes-...17-d4-e-rrs10/

    There do seem to be performance rotors around, I.e. like these ones, but they are not clear if these are larger or smaller rotors (2.7 vs 3.0)
    4wdIndustries - Land Rover Front Vented Disc Brake Rotors Discovery 4 Range Rover Sport - Cross Drilled & Grooved | 4wd Industries - Selling New and Used Vehicles, Genuine and High Quality Aftermarket parts In Maitland and around Australia

    Has anyone done any specific research on rotor calliper options?

    Thanks in advance.

    James

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Perth
    Posts
    2,700
    Total Downloaded
    0
    That kit would be a no brainer by the sounds if there is some extra braking power generated. Probably will work out cheaper.

    You can easily buy after market discs & Akebono pads easy enough for the 2.7 which give dust free performance. Then you would only need to find the calipers and brackets 2nd hand. Sounds like you are all over it.

    Nothing wrong with the 2.7 brakes.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    NSW SW Slopes
    Posts
    12,030
    Total Downloaded
    0
    From someone who did the retrofit to a MY10 D4 when no equivalent size 18" LT tyres were available, I suggest that there is quite a good choice of 18" tyres these days, even over-size ones that will still allow the wheels to turn on MY12+ D4s if the vehicle happens to land on the bump-stops.

    You shouldn't need to replace the rear calipers, just the 2.7 caliper brackets and discs. The drums should be the same dia so no need for new shoes.

    The MY10 3.0 front brakes may have been based on the performance of 4-piston RRS brakes but they are only 2 piston, sliding calipers.
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
    VK2HFG and APRS W1 digi, RTK base station using LoRa

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Hunter Valley NSW
    Posts
    750
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Discovery 18" wheels | Land rover 18" rims | Tuffant

    Considered these?

    18" Steel Wheels for Land Rover Discovery 3, 4 or 5. The only legal steel wheel now available in Australia.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    41
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Thanks for the comments guys.

    Northiam, wow, had not seen these, thanks for the heads up I will give them a call.
    Not quite the look I was after, but WAY easier than changing brakes and price seems fair.

    PerthDicso, yeah that kit is about $2k once converted though, which seems a bit steep, I've yet to hear back from them though, so who knows.

    Graeme, thanks heaps for the input re callipers etc I will discuss that with triumph rover spares.
    I guess I see 18" as a small improvement, but 17" as a better improvement, but totally agree 18"range is better now.
    Can I ask if you have any more info on what you mean by oversize?
    Do you agree with this info from Tuff ant?
    Discovery 18" wheels | Land rover 18" rims | Tuffant

    Whilst I am generally future proofing for some general camping/touring trips, my main requirement at the moment is very heavy laods.
    We are cave divers and I regularily make the 3500 roiund trip from adelaide to the nualrbor and our gear is heavy.
    I.e. I am running pretty well at full GVM on the vehicle and a camper trailer with pretty heavy nose weight.
    I have to run 48-50psi cold in my 19" pirellie ATR's or they just bag out too much.

    My main short term goal was running 17" BFG AT LT tyres was that they would handle the loads better with larger and stronger sidewalls.
    But I am not sure if the 17" disco 3 rims are 7" or 8" wide either, still more research to do...

    I suppose though that if I can make 265/65 slightly oversized 18" work this is an easy solution.
    Although some say you need a rod lift kit for this not keen on this:
    LR3, LR4, Tire Size Chart

    More thoughts welcomed

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Bunbury, WA
    Posts
    2,507
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I have been through this scoping exercise also. I did it before the Tuffant wheels came onto the scene and that would be your simplest option, even if just for your bush trips.

    Next option would be to fit stock fit 2.7l rotors and calipers to the front which would allow running of LR alloy 18" wheels. Stock LR 18" alloys will fit over your existing rear brakes.

    Then I suppose you could go the whole hog and downsize the rear brakes also to fit 17" wheels all 'round.

    I would stay away from custom kits and retrofit factory setups only.

    I'm a speleo also from way back. I always kept air around me though. I don't have gills!

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Perth
    Posts
    1,744
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesAdelaide View Post

    My main short term goal was running 17" BFG AT LT tyres was that they would handle the loads better with larger and stronger sidewalls.
    But I am not sure if the 17" disco 3 rims are 7" or 8" wide either, still more research to do...
    Factory 17's are 7" wide
    Shane
    2005 D3 TDV6 loaded to the brim with 4 kids!
    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/220914-too-many-defender-write-ups-here-time-d3.html

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Perth
    Posts
    4,335
    Total Downloaded
    0
    It seems no one mentions the master cylinder in all this. Has a phone confirmed the part numbers are the same across all models as it’s not uncommon for master cylinders to be different across a models to match the different brake combinations. Let’s not mention the potential imbalance by not matching front and rear as a system.
    2010 TDV6 3.0L Discovery 4 HSE
    2007 Audi RS4 (B7)

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Bunbury, WA
    Posts
    2,507
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster View Post
    It seems no one mentions the master cylinder in all this. Has a phone confirmed the part numbers are the same across all models as it’s not uncommon for master cylinders to be different across a models to match the different brake combinations. Let’s not mention the potential imbalance by not matching front and rear as a system.
    I'm fairly sure Graeme did not change the Master Cylinder when he did his conversion. I would have thought that the biasing valve and ABS would deal with any potential brake imbalance.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Perth
    Posts
    4,335
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by cjc_td5 View Post
    I'm fairly sure Graeme did not change the Master Cylinder when he did his conversion. I would have thought that the biasing valve and ABS would deal with any potential brake imbalance.
    Worst assumption. Having done brake swaps from various Nissan models over the years, I can assure you, imbalance is not resolved by those components. At times when ABS isn’t required, you may end up with too little or too much rear braking. This can cause your vehicle to lose control during braking manoeuvres (rear comes around etc). Yes dynamic stability control might save your bacon, but I’d prefer not to be in that position unnecessarily.

    On my road rally car, rather than converting to a pedal box to get balance control, I ended up using pad compounds (differing coefficients of friction) to balance the vehicle after changing front and rear calipers and disc sizes.

    So, all one needs to do when doing this conversion is to check part numbers and spec of master cylinders to confirm if there’s an issue or not.
    2010 TDV6 3.0L Discovery 4 HSE
    2007 Audi RS4 (B7)

Page 1 of 6 123 ... LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Search AULRO.com ONLY!
Search All the Web!