I'm convinced that they wont exhibit the adverse characteristics of their predecessor.
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						Car needs new shoes and I've just ordered the Pirelli Scorpion ATR replacement .... The All Terrain Plus.
I've read good things, so fingers crossed.
Funny coincidence …. have never seen these in the flesh before. Ordered the tyres yesterday, parked my car to get on the train, and there was a D4 sitting there with the All Terrain Plus fitted....what's the chances .....look good.
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						I'm convinced that they wont exhibit the adverse characteristics of their predecessor.
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						So am I Graeme …
If they bring the tight, smooth, quiet characteristics of the old ATR to play and fix the water voiding issues on road and do as well if not better in moderate off-road scenarios, I'll be very pleased.
They are a hell of a lot cheaper than they used to be too …. used to cost $500 a corner roughly (unless you had a way of getting around the middle men) ….. now ~$300.
Possibly cheaper options out there … but hey!
I'll let you know how they work out.
Cheers,
Kev.
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						They were a great A/T for a long time. Know several people who got 80,000+ kms out of them. All they have to do is reproduce what they did 10 years ago.
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						SubscriberI had some Scorpion ATRs on my D4 previously, downright dangerous. I actually like the original Wrangler H/Ps and put them back on. Then I found some 17 inch wheels and bought a set of Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs, thinking I would swap back and forth between them as I went away and came back.
I've said this before though - the Duratracs are so good that I have just left them on the car. They are a bit noisier as they have worn, but they are awesome off and on road and are pretty good in the wet.
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						Yeah, I wouldn't buy the original ATR again …. I'm assuming your 'Downright dangerous' comment was wet weather performance when a little worn?
I almost hit a concrete wall on a highway at ~100 thanks to that trait.
Before they wore though, I thought they were great … firm, solid steering and gripped really well.
New AT Plus is apparently heavier … so hopefully stronger (not that I've ever read reports about them being weak) and a lot chunkier ….
I picked up the car today after they were fitted and they are tight and smooth. If there is an increase in noise it's bugger all, which is surprising, considering the tread blocks are quite large and spaced out …. my 18" LTZs hum a lot above 60.
What is encouraging is the fact that the whole tread block is uniform in depth …. so no blocks for water voiding, unlike the older model.
Time will tell :-)
On the OEM supplied Wranglers …. quiet, smooth and stuck on wet or dry …. kudos! But become puncture prone after 40K and once you drive a firmer tyre, you realise how 'wobbly' they are. Not a bad tyre at all … They aren't cheap though.
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						Since my unwelcomed experience with the ATRs I've discounted any tyre whose tread pattern didn't have full depth voids right across the tyre, which includes the majority of tyres, hence my favouring the AT+.
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