Thread: D4 - to buy or not to buy?

Yes but you implied a D4 needs an aux tank where a 200 series doesn't because of the larger tank in the 200 series and that is not the case - when towing, the 200 series is even worse - for a diesel it is a real fuel guzzler when under load.

75kg for a driver! I’m in trouble...

Your not the only one. The wife says I have a belly, but I say it's my power source.

Good things come in small packages..except cars.... and me.

Originally Posted by Markus1

Hi RRS. Just putting a different spin on the stories out there. The D4 tank is small if your towing heavy and that's where blokes do fit the aux tank. And let's face it, unless you've got 3T hanging off the back your probably not worried about exceeding payload capacity of the car right? I reckon there's quite a few blokes with discos exceeding the limit just the same. Cheers.

So a 3 tonne van might have a towball weight of about 300kg which leaves just 310kg in the 200 for fuel, bullbar, winch, rear bar, second spare, roof rack and load, drawers, fridge, recovery and camping gear and food.
So I reckon that 310kg could easily be exceeded before putting in a driver, passenger, maybe a couple of other people and all their luggage.
And we haven't even talked about axle loads or about Gross Combined Mass of the vehicle and caravan.
So as soon as that combination pulled off the driveway onto the road it would instantly be overloaded and unroadworthy, which could if inspected cause the registration to be invalid and insurance to be cancelled.
But hey, it's easier just to shrug the shoulders and say, 'She'll be right, mate' - until it isn't right.
Incidentally, I just did the same calculation for our Defender 110 wagon and I reckon, fully loaded for camping, with 120 litres of fuel, bullbar and winch, drawers and a fridge and a second spare on the roof rack, and towing our camper trailer, with two people we've still got about 500kg of unused payload (minus any beer I sneak on board) in our 1044kg. So, that's reassuring.

Wrong Mick... calculation does not wipe the ball weight from the D4 as you have done it.

Originally Posted by Tombie

VX is a minimum of 2740kg actually.... 3350 max.
Max payload 610kg

Kerb Includes all fluids and does NOT include driver.

The big difference is the LR figure is including a full tank and a 75kg driver.

Welcome back Tombie. While you were gone there was another discussion on the GVM and other weights. Forum member tapda01 asked LRA directly but their answer was that even the D4 kerb weight did not include a driver, see below post from this thread:

Originally Posted by tapda01

Im afraid the answer is No Ron... see response from Land Rover that follows:

Dear Mr Tapper,

Thank you for your patience whilst we investigate into your query.

To confirm, our Product team have liaised with our UK Office for assistance with your weight and towing query.

They have advised based on your VIN details provided and Australian Design Rules:

Curb Weight = 2568 kg (that includes 90% fuel but not a Driver)

GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight) = 3240 kg

GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight) – 350 kg nose load = 2890 kg

2890 – 2568 kg = 322 kg available payload for passengers and cargo providing stipulations below are met.

- Make sure to never exceed the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW), the Gross Train Weight (GTW), or the front and rear axle weights.
- Include the trailer's nose weight when calculating the GVW and the rear axle weight.
- When calculating the vehicle's rear axle weight, the vehicle's payload weights must also be considered. Include the combined weights of all the rear passengers, the loadspace, roof rail, accessory equipment, and the trailer nose weight. The combined weights must never exceed the GVW or the maximum weights for the front and rear axles.
- Make sure that the GVW, the GTW, and the maximum rear axle weight limits are not exceeded when applying the trailer nose weight. If required, reduce the weight of the vehicle's payload.

For your records, it is best recommended to print a copy and leave one in your vehicle's glovebox for future reference.

Assuring you of our best intentions at all times.

Kind regards,


Daniel
Customer Relationship Centre Administrator
Jaguar Land Rover Australia



Cheers

David

I don't believe the LRA response resolved anything, it probably added to the confusion.

Ron

Defender 110 *minimum kerb weight is 1,972kg and maximum payload for 5 seat Station Wagon is 1078kg.

*Minimum kerb weight is the mass of vehicle with no additional features, no driver, 10 litres fuel, spare wheel & tools.

110SW ball weight is 150kg *Unless* you reduce GVM by ball weight - up to and including a maximum of 250kg

Not all as simple as it seems.