Reply With QuoteBut where the EAS really shines,is towing.
And off roading.
The Y62 system is simpler,but no where near as versatile.
As i said on another post,if the new model Patrol has EAS,even just in the rear,it would make a fantastic towing vehicle.
YarnMaster
SupporterOriginally Posted by 1nando
I don't think it's a case of one or the other - e.g. air or hydraulic. I'm not overly familiar with the Y62, but my understanding is that it's a coil spring vehicle - so instead of air bags for the springs it uses the metal coil springs. The hydraulic component that you speak of is instead of the swaybars - so that's the anti roll system.
So you can actually have both air and hydraulic. The Discovery Series 2 was an example of this with the SLS air bag suspension springs in the rear and the ACE hydraulic anti roll system.
In terms of simplicity a standard coil spring and swaybar setup is the most simple. Both the new Defender and your Y62 have thrown a more complicated system in to achieve better results. It's not a bad thing but comes with a bit more maintenance and risk, especially as the vehicle ages. For Land Rover air springs aren't new - they've used them in their products since the 90's in various proper Range Rover models, Discovery 2, 3, 4, Range Rover Sport and perhaps some others that I don't know about - so it's not some new tech being prototyped in the Defender.
I have no doubt, but despite the fair share of air leaks, there's a reason why those heavy vehicles are still using air suspension.
The units your seeing that are leaking likely have traveled some very high kms and carry some very heavy loads so they've probably pushed the air springs hard, particularly in their later years. Despite the fair share of air leaks, there's a reason why
Swaggie
But where the EAS really shines,is towing.
And off roading.
The Y62 system is simpler,but no where near as versatile.
As i said on another post,if the new model Patrol has EAS,even just in the rear,it would make a fantastic towing vehicle.
LordRover
SubscriberAir suspension has been fitted to trucks and buses for yonks so nothing new there.
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Looks perfect for light duty work.
Master
I'm liking the new Defender. Though, the article I read said torque from the diesels was mid 400s or so. If that's correct, in one sense it's a bit disappointing but on the other hand I'm not disappointed I just bought the D4 and won't have Defender envy for a bit.
On the air suspension, main reason I first bought the D3 and why I stayed with LR and bought the 4. Road hight during the week. Off road height for the weekend. No alignment or CV issues. Awesome.
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YarnMaster
SupporterThe torque numbers aren’t as relevant these days. With 16 speeds (8 in the automatic transmission by the hi low transfer box) it becomes far less important. Ford have shown this with success in their Ranger as well with the move down to the 2L motor.
On a side note Defenders hav always used small efficient engines and good gearing to do their thing. At mid 400 Nms it’s likely far more torque than any previous Defender model.
Master
SupporterDigging deeper it still only has an 85lt tank so disappointing as that could have been designed bigger but no doubt room for more at a cost again. But the specs from landrover uk states only 150kg towball weight. Now that sucks and could well be a deal breaker.
Interestingly their promo video shows it towing an Australian Bruderx that has a unladen weight of 1980kgs. They don’t advertise its towball weight but at 7.5% that’s 148 kg. Very few loaded vans or many camper trailers will achieve under 150kgs.
To tow it’s advertised 3500kg and achieve a 150kg towball weight means 4.2% towball ratio which if not illegal is very unsafe. The rear axle load in the rear is D4 like with 400kgs more over the rear axle. Looking more like a reskinned D4 albeit a good reskin.
Maybe my D4 is here to stay. Still they have to come up with something to stop it cannabolising the D5. Hopefully my figures are wrong.
Swaggie
That 150KG is UK spec only.
It will be 350KG in Aus,they have said.
Fuel tank size is disappointing,and as I said on another post,there isn’t the luxury of making room for an aftermarket one by relocating the spare.
Master
SupporterNot having a shot at anyone, this is purely an observation. Why do people talk so often about a hose out interior? It's not a 1948 model with no floor mats or anything, that (among other leaks) is why all the floors rot out! Water trapped under the mat rusting your floor out, you wouldn't hose out a hilux or anything just because it has a vinyl floor and not carpet. If the new defender has vinyl/rubber surfaces able to be mopped and wiped clean then that's pretty good.
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Master
Perhaps you aren't driving a "real" off roader if you can't hose it out - the Wrangler is a case in point.
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