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    Thank you

    Like Minemapper, I'm a Limey who read this thread a fortnight ago when my transmission locked up in Park when I stopped to inspect some crops.
    It happened twice on the bounce, each time refusing to turn and engage a gear after the knob rose up when ignition switched on. On these occasions, repeated turning off and on and knocking the console around the knob seemed to trigger the solenoid into life .. eventually. Went straight to my local garage and plugged diagnostics in to find no fault codes and it refused to repeat the problem.

    Roll on two weeks and yesterday I turned into the driveway at the back of my house and drove up to the neighbours fence at the appropriate angle to reverse round and face back the way I had come in .... only the gearbox locked in Drive with the front bumper inches from the fence. Tried banging the console as I played on the brake pedal, creeping ever closer to the fence. Eventually I was forced to switch the engine off .. which then would not restart due to gearbox being in Drive. So, no option other than firing up this thread on my phone (signal is carp here too) and then going through the procedure. I got to the part where I had the three screws out of the TGS case and the fourth one loosened, so I could peer inside to find the plastic tongue to pull back, when the knob lowered slightly before returning to the raised position and then I was able to turn it back to Park. I switched the engine on (holding the TGS case closed with my left hand) and then turned the dial to reverse and hey presto I was out of my predicament. I drove the vehicle immediately to my mates garage and parked it up (in case the worst were to happen and I fecked the whole thing up). I then switched everything off, unplugged and removed the TGS and brought it home (lift from nephew in his 2004 D3 manual).

    I have pulled the TGS apart and have drilled a couple of holes in the casing appropriately and cable tied the selector lock permanently open.
    Put it all back together again and off we go.
    Electronic safety measures prevent inadvisable gear changes being made even with no selector lock, so perhaps this is a redundancy element in the safety system.

    Thank you very much for this superb thread and instructions.
    Instead of spending £500+ on a new unit ... when they are back in (only 2 in the UK when we enquired 2 weeks ago and they are reserved) ... I spent all of tuppence ha'penny on a couple of tiny cable ties.
    (I did, however, expend a great number of expletives to start with and a number of cups of coffee whilst I browsed this thread.)

    Having had two D2s and one 6 speed D4, I am now on my second 8 speed D4 (all commercial variants) and it is by far the least reliable .. in fact I must be blessed because the two previous D4s both did over 170k miles without any issues other than the usual serviceable items (suspension bushes etc). This third D4 is most definitely a Friday afternoon lemon though - occasionally volunteers to go into limp home mode for no apparent reason, this gearbox selector issue, occasionally decides it doesn't want to raise the suspension when you get to a heavily tractor rutted track - and it has only just turned 100k

    When the car is your office, the lowering of the centre knob when ignition off is very handy to give a decent area of "desktop".
    However, as Rapserv says above, they really should have designed a release mechanism for when these things failed, particularly since they were failing and being repaired under warranty at least a couple of years before they ended production of the D4. My latest, as a 2106 vehicle, should have had a release cable, as described in this thread, from manufacture.

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    Thank you + question

    First of all I would like to thank the author for the manual in pdf, it was extremely helpful in diagnosing my gear selector. It just got stuck but when testing solenoid it was fine, checked cct board and everything was good too... so I was at a loss.

    Then I noticed that the plastic part which pushes gear selector up/down was broken, even though the knob still goes up and down. Hence I thought it might have got stuck. The question is, is there anywhere I can source that plastic part(marked with red arrow)? If not I was thinking of maybe scan and 3D print it unless someone did it already...

    TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicoF View Post

    The question is, is there anywhere I can source that plastic part(marked with red arrow)? If not I was thinking of maybe scan and 3D print it unless someone did it already...

    TIA

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    If you have no luck, DM me. I have replaced my failed TGS with new and still have the old one. While I won't canabalise it for one component, we might be able to come to a satisfactory agreement.
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    Many thanks for terrific info that saved my day.

    So glad to have found this amazing source. I have a 2016 DS that had the infamous stuck in Park problem. I disassembled the Gear shift module partially , drilled a tiny hole in the end of the unit and attached a very strong nylon noose around that little plastic piece that connects to the locking mechanism. Now I can gently pull on the string to put the car in any gear, as long as I am careful not to take my foot off the brake pedal. I am almost tempted to not replace the whole pricey unit. Thanks for the info.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mattblack59bus View Post
    P176C-11 Transmission range selector lock control error – General electrical Failure – circuit short to ground

    Background
    The shift lock solenoid is a safety lock to prevent the transmission from selecting a drive mode without having the brake pedal applied. It will only lock in Park & Neutral and should never lock in Drive or Reverse.
    In the event of a no power condition (ie; flat battery) the 6 speed transmission in the discovery 3 and 4 (as most cars do) have a “shift lock release” to release the shift lock solenoid which enables the gear lever to be moved to the Neutral position, as this lever is connected to the transmission via a physical mechanical cable, it will select Neutral without power.
    Unfortunately in the 8 speed transmission there is no physical cable connecting the shift dial to the transmission, the only connection is “electronic data” via the vehicle’s CAN BUS network (with a local network connection to the transmission as a backup). In the event of a no power condition, turning the dial (if you could) wouldn’t do anything.

    The Problem

    What Land Rover did to overcome this issue was to add a mechanical cable that enables you to shift to Neutral without turning the dial, now this works well if you want to get towed, but what if you DO have power, a good battery, parked on the beach, engine running, tide coming in and the dial is locked in Park (or locked in drive with the engine off) due to a faulty shift lock solenoid. There is the real problem, you can’t select drive as there is no shift lock release (and you can’t start the car if the dial is in Drive even if you pull the Neutral lever).

    Quick get me off the beach solution

    (tools to keep in the car; T20 Torx driver, Philips Drive)
    What we need to do is access the (TCS) transmission Control Switch, the rotary dial bit.
    First we need to remove the cup holder and the spill tray below it using the Philips driver (or a small flat blade if that’s all you have).
    Open up the centre console lid and start pulling up on the sides of the centre console where the cup holder is, the entire centre section surrounding the TCS should lift up and come free. It will slide backwards away from the dash.

    Attachment 155702


    Now the Centre is loose, roll the entire assembly onto the passenger seat, taking care not to stretch the cable harness, I don’t recommend disconnecting the main harness as you will get a large number of faults and the dash cluster goes off (you have enough fault codes to deal with already).
    Using the T20 Torx Driver undo the 4 screws holding on the plastic trim surrounding the TCS, also unto the 4 screws holding on the Mode selection/height/low range switch panel.
    Two of the screws are hidden behind the Gray and Green connectors, if you cannot access these screws simply release the connector from its holder BUT don’t disconnect the connection itself.
    Important Note;
    The brass screw at the base of the TSC will raise and lower the rotary dial, it will be very easy to turn, the dial can be used (turned) in the fully lowered AND fully raised position, however do not turn this screw if the dial is not in Park, the dial will attempt to rotate to Park as it is lowered, if your shift lock solenoid is in the locked position (unpowered) and the dial is in anything but Park you will break something.
    Attachment 155703

    After undoing the 8 screws roll the entire assembly back into its normal position. (Making sure that all electrical connections are still in place)
    Carefully remove the plastic surround from the TCS, you can gently lift it up from the cup holder side, part of it will sit under the Mode selection/height/low range switch panel.

    Attachment 155704

    Using the T20 Torx driver, remove the 4 screws holding the TCS into the console, you can now lift the TCS out of the console and lay it on its side.
    Remove 3 of the 4 screws on the outside edge on the base of the TCS, do not undo the screws in the centre of the unit, they hold the motor and solenoid in place.
    Attachment 155708
    You must do the following with the dial in the raised position, if you’re in Drive the dial will be raised, if you’re in Park raise the dial by turning the brass screw, and be gentle.
    The last screw we will use to hold everything together, undo this screw so that the unit is held together but open enough so that you can place a screwdriver into the unit and release the shift lock.
    Important Note;
    The shift lock is plastic, be gentle. The circuit board doesn’t want a short circuit, be careful. I used a screwdriver but you could use something non conductive.
    We don’t want to open the unit too far because the gear selection circuitry uses magnets and magnometer sensors, opening the unit separates the two, open too far and the chip won’t see the change in gear when we turn the dial, or may see an invalid selection.
    Attachment 155706
    Fully opened view of the TCS (taken during the repair procedure, you don’t need to open the unit this far yet)
    Attachment 155707

    What we need to do is gently release the shift lock with a screwdriver (or non conductive tool) with one hand and turn the dial with the other hand (if turning to drive or reverse you will still need your foot on the brake pedal (and a working brake light switch))
    Once you have made your gear selection, we need to tighten the single screw holding the unit together and if driving some distance I would place the TCS back into its correct location.
    An alternative would be to use an elastic band (hair tie, string, zip tie etc) and hold the shift lock open. If you do this you will get a second fault code stating a mechanical failure of the shift lock, and you can only select a drive mode whilst the brake pedal is pressed (working brake switch), turning the dial to drive without the brake pedal results in a flashing D or R on the dash and no drive.

    The work around fix
    This fix is good for fault finding an intermittent fault and for peace of mind, it involves creating a shift lock lever under the cup holder that will quickly release the shift lock if the solenoid fails, however I don’t recommend using this method for long term use (who wants to lift the cup holder for every gear change?). And remember if you have no power using this will not enable you to select Neutral, you will still need to use the red lever for that.
    Perform the procedure above to remove the TCS, once the TCS is free, disconnect the TCS cable, you will need to raise the red locking lever/tab to remove the connector, again nothing needs to be forced so don’t break anything.
    Take the TCS to a clean workbench or kitchen table, the TCS does contain static sensitive circuits so take care not to have any static build up (google that if you need to).
    To open the unit fully we will need to remove the black plastic centre cap from the metal dial, the cap is held on with double sided tape, to do this we push a small flat blade screw driver between the edge of the plastic and the metal dial and lever slowly up, I also used a box cutter and pushed the blade into the small gap once it started to lift (be careful if you do), I managed to get this off without any issue but don’t worry if you damage the cap as aftermarket replacements are available in a range of colours.


    Once the plastic cap is off we can remove the metal dial using a T20 Torx driver.
    Turn the unit over and remove the 6 T20 Torx screws, 2 hold the plastic cover around the connector, the remaining 4 hold the unit together around the outside edge (don’t remove the 3 screws in the centre of the metal section, they hold the motor and solenoid in place)
    Remove the plastic cover from around the connector first (taking care not to bend the connector pins), under this cover there are two cables one for the solenoid and one for the drive motor (to raise and lower the dial), disconnect both cables.
    You should now be able to separate the TCS into two halves.
    As the picture above

    Next we’re going to drill a hole into the case and through the end of the plastic locking mechanism, I’m not going to give measurements but you will want the holes to line up and be roughly 3 mm, take your time (measure once and drill twice, or something like that).
    Attachment 155709

    Take a long thin zip tie and loop it around a key ring and zip it up (this will be your ring pull), then thread the other end through the hole and connect a second zip tie to this, cut off the excess zip tie and the rest of the second zip tie. The zip tie is flexible enough to loop around and apply pressure on the mechanism when pulled from the cup holder side of the TCS. This is what I used but you can use string or anything similar on hand, just ensure that the mechanism is free to move when no pressure is applied.

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    Then put everything back together and refit the TCS into the car, feed the zip tie and ring pull around the TCS and into the cup holder area, I used loose zip ties to hold the ring pull in place.
    You may have a few extra fault codes from removing the TCS, simply clear these if you have a Diagnostic tool.

    The Fix and further testing
    My fault disappeared, I was expecting it to return at some point but I continued to drive on, comfortable that my newly installed shift lock release would keep me going if it did. And a few days later the fault returned.
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    Again remove the TCS and open it up,
    Optional Step if you wish to remove the solenoid, it is possible to test without removing it; we will need to remove the silver foil sticky black sticker thing that is attached to the front of the TCS (Alternatively cut through the middle of the foil where the plastic meets the metal). Then you can separate the lower section of the TCS into two (we now have three parts Top - printed circuit, Centre - Magnets and shift lock, & The Lower Metal with the raise / lower motor & shift lock solenoid.
    Note; Careful not to pull out the main shaft as parts may fly out and we need them all in to work
    Attachment 155713
    Firstly, I tested the shift lock solenoid itself, It’s rated at 9 volts and I measured the resistance at 6.1 Ohms, using a 9 volt battery is was clear that my solenoid works.

    Attachment 155714

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    From here I inspected the printed circuit board with a microscope looking for damage or cracked solder joints, I found nothing, everything looked good except for a slight burn mark on a 1 Ohm resistor. I decided to re-solder several components next to the solenoid connector, you will need a good quality, small tip, high temperature soldering iron (mine was set at 420°C+), most solders used on modern circuits have little or no lead which makes them harder to work with.
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    Circuit Board
    Attachment 155717
    Burned Resistor marked 1R00 and area of interest.

    After re soldering my TCS has worked continuously and I still have my lock release if needed.

    Disclaimer
    This is what I did for my issue and it worked for me, this will not fix other issues and will not fix a broken transmission, you will void any warranty on this unit by performing this repair, as always you undertake this repair at your own risk.

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    Another HUGE thank you Marc. @Mattblack59bus


    Today I got in the car and drove forward a few metres to my driveway in order to hook up my camper to have a couple of nights away for my birthday. On attempting to selecting reverse the rotary knob would not move. Foolishly I switched off the car, leaving it where it was blocking my wife’s car so for a while there both cars were out of service.

    Thanks to having seen this thread I searched for it, spent two hours faffing around, and we were back on the road. As a temporary fix I lassoed the shift lock with a small cable tie, pulled it back and jammed the cable tie in place once the 4 screws holding the unit together were screwed tight.

    We’re now happily camped next to a lovely “babbling brook” - the Steavenson River - and will worry about what to do to repair the issue once we return home.

    thanks again Marc.

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    Thank you

    Thanks for the instructions. Although it was meant for Disco, I've managed to do something similar for an Evoque. Few zip ties connected together and routed into the cup holder did the trick. Thanks again!

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    Thank you for a fantastic write up

    Mattblack59bus, thank you for taking the time to provide such an informative post.
    Following it I have repaired my gear selector which was intermittently refusing to rotate.
    The resistor nearest the solenoid connector had a dry joint, as per your post.
    After cleaning the resistor and the solder pad on the pcb, I soldered the resistor. I have since had no repeat of the gear selection problem.

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    Gearshift stuck

    Fantastic solution to this problem. I used some 50lb braid as the pull cord instead of the zip ties but same thing. It got me out of trouble again.
    Dave

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    I suppose waiting for little faults like this to happen is what some describe as making ownership of LR product's exciting....
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    [QUOTE=Mattblack59bus;2952745]P176C-11 Transmission range selector lock control error – General electrical Failure – circuit short to ground

    [After re soldering my TCS has worked continuously and I still have my lock release if needed.]


    Hi everyone who may come across this post..

    You should find if you follow exactly what is written already in this post that it will work perfectly!
    I did so and it has not failed on me once in the last month, when it was actually failing on me every 2nd day before that!

    I've posted what I did with lots of pictures and some videos in the Facebook aulro group.
    Link below ⬇️ A big thank you again to Marc Jones 👍

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