Thread: Suspension Lift Options D4

Originally Posted by BennyF

I’d argue that I’m more likely to have an insurance event on the road during day to day driving. I’ve been off-roading for years and while things break, fail and go wrong, we’ve never had to lodge an claim.

I’ll have a chat to Club 4x4 and get their perspective. If they’re OK with a LLAMS kit, then the grey areas should be cleared (for me anyway).

Thanks to everyone else for their input.

Traffic incidents are certainly a higher risk, however when on the road with Llams in normal road mode the vehicle is stock - so no accident could be attributed to the device - therefore no grounds to nullify insurance.

The device, or even doing the lift via the Gap tool, will still only allow the suspension to operate within a factory range of motion.

I wouldn’t worry either way.

Keep in mind that the vehicle, once modified with the usual off-roading gear, and loaded with a weekend away worth of essentials and family will most likely end up like all other offroad use vehicles; over GVM. That is a challenge very few manage to meet effectively.

Anywho enjoy your new machine, they are a great vehicle and looked after, are a sense of much enjoyment.

I have been on this forum for more than 5 years and read back into the history extensively from the years before that when researching accessories and modifications. I’ve never come across anyone with an issue between Llams and insurance. The chances of an insurance company understanding what Llams is (and is not) or does would be virtually zero I think.

And ability for Llams to be the cause of an event that leads to claim rejection? I don’t see that as feasible. We are not talking about modifications in the engineering realm. The potential capability of a diagnostic tool to change things would be arguably more of a risk in an insurance context.

I have both Llams and a Gap iiD BT.

Regards,
Scott

Originally Posted by Tombie

The device, or even doing the lift via the Gap tool, will still only allow the suspension to operate within a factory range of motion.

One could argue that if you are hard setting your vehicle higher to avoid the dreaded “return to normal height”, you have worked around a safety feature presumably designed to maintain the vehicles stability at speed, not just infuriate the driver. So I’d say it’s not exactly the same, but there’s no way in hell an assessor is going to pick it anyhow.

Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

One could argue that if you are hard setting your vehicle higher to avoid the dreaded “return to normal height”, you have worked around a safety feature presumably designed to maintain the vehicles stability at speed, not just infuriate the driver. So I’d say it’s not exactly the same, but there’s no way in hell an assessor is going to pick it anyhow.

Agree , way too many variables to be an impact.

Example: Even raised at 50mm, then without a rack loaded on top COG would be lower than with the 75kg max weight on the roof at normal ride heght
As decreed though in our VSI - a 50mm lift is an uncertified modification, so the addition of 50mm is entirely legal.

Originally Posted by LRD414

I have been on this forum for more than 5 years and read back into the history extensively from the years before that when researching accessories and modifications. I’ve never come across anyone with an issue between Llams and insurance. The chances of an insurance company understanding what Llams is (and is not) or does would be virtually zero I think.

And ability for Llams to be the cause of an event that leads to claim rejection? I don’t see that as feasible. We are not talking about modifications in the engineering realm. The potential capability of a diagnostic tool to change things would be arguably more of a risk in an insurance context.

I have both Llams and a Gap iiD BT.

Regards,
Scott

Here’s the thread that I came across when searching for the legality of LLAMS.

Some of the people here claiming to have never had the issue raised clearly have forgotten the conversation, especially Graeme who states that it needs to be hard disconnected when getting back on the paved stuff. Granted, it was more than a few years ago but running a google search brings it right up for newbies like me.

In any case, it doesn’t matter what I think or anyone else on this forum , it comes down to the insurer and what they’ll do to get out of out of paying a claim. A GAP IID is easily disconnected and hidden. Plus it’s got a few more functions of value.

Don’t get me wrong, LLAMS looks easier and faster to use but the install, risk and single functionality come second the GAP (in my opinion).

Sincere thanks to everyone for your wise words. I’m so amped to have the D4 and be embarking on the journey of tricking it out and hitting the bush with the family. Just have to remind myself that it’s not a sprint! Haha.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Hot tip - Drop Club4x4.

So many exclusions in their policy, especially one covering fires from electrical faults.

Really? I hadn’t looked that far yet as I’ve just rolled my road policy over for now. I know quite a few people with Club4x4 so hopefully they’re not at risk.

Who do you recommend?

Thanks in advance.

Following on from Tombies hot tip,

Check it includes or doesn't exclude contaminated or dirty fuel damage to engine.
Some also cover miss fueling.

I couldn't find one that covered both,so just went with the dirty/contaminated fuel.

And sorry,can't remember what company it is with,but i did cancel the old policy as it didn't cover what i wanted.

That comment by Graeme was to highlight how you could disable it to be “offroad only”.

I wouldn’t take too much notice of the posts of a 3 time poster from 8 years ago that made those 3 posts and never logged on again

The reality is suspension can be raised by 50mm without engineering. The law makes no allowances for speeds at which this can be done - a LR can stay +50mm up to 50km/h factory and this is not specified as a minimum/maximum speed under ADRs. Technically the ride height of a LR is specified as Xmm to Ymm so +50mm above Y is still technically within tolerance.

I’d be very surprised if an insurance company even knows what it is, or what it does. And unspecified accessories will not void insurance, only not be paid for during a claim.

Please, relax your fears, you likely wouldn’t think twice about a 50mm coil lift (and they’re legal in all states).