Thread: Upper tailgate brake light replacing

Windows are bonded - and broken to remove. It’s effective, doesn’t leave screws to vibrate loose or for the light to be quickly stolen. It won’t leak unlike a gasket up high exposed to cyclic heat and UV.

It surprises me how many people get worked up on here about ageing vehicles requiring a bit of tlc to keep them healthy.

Surely the modern economic wake up call, environmental issues and waste of resources must start to sink in.

It’s far more economical for me to FULLY refurbish my D4 and go another 10 years than it is to purchase 1/5th of a replacement.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Windows are bonded - and broken to remove. It’s effective, doesn’t leave screws to vibrate loose or for the light to be quickly stolen. It won’t leak unlike a gasket up high exposed to cyclic heat and UV.

It surprises me how many people get worked up on here about ageing vehicles requiring a bit of tlc to keep them healthy.

Surely the modern economic wake up call, environmental issues and waste of resources must start to sink in.

It’s far more economical for me to FULLY refurbish my D4 and go another 10 years than it is to purchase 1/5th of a replacement.

The LED high level stop light i was talking about,the two screws are in trim behind,light then unclips from behind trim.No way light could be stolen,without gaining access to the vehicle or destroying the light.Cant imagine why anyone would anyway.Over 15 vans,some well over ten years old,never had a seal leak,they would last the life of the vehicle.These vehicles are never garaged. IMHO,a way better design.
A window is not a serviceable item,a light is,although we have only had one fail,ever.

All vehicles need TLC,nothing against that at all.

It’s unthought out silly design that is the issue here.

Correct,keeping a vehicle for a long time is a great economic decision.
Not only does it significantly help the environment,it will also help the bank balance substantially.

My brother with his '93 D1,keeps burning my ears about this as well.

In fact,for many to go to an EV,they would be way better off keeping their ICE,no matter how much fuel it uses,but thats for another thread.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Windows are bonded - and broken to remove. It’s effective, doesn’t leave screws to vibrate loose or for the light to be quickly stolen. It won’t leak unlike a gasket up high exposed to cyclic heat and UV.

It surprises me how many people get worked up on here about ageing vehicles requiring a bit of tlc to keep them healthy.

Surely the modern economic wake up call, environmental issues and waste of resources must start to sink in.

It’s far more economical for me to FULLY refurbish my D4 and go another 10 years than it is to purchase 1/5th of a replacement.

What a crock of **** Tombie. You just have to look to many other makes that use a standard seal and a couple or more of bolts/nuts/screws. I have no issue working on it or spending money on it, and I’m not worked up, but there are easier ways. It’s a pain in the arse and when you consider it’s the most prominent point of the rear, it’s likely to take the first hit with any “at height” impact. This pain in the arse saves LR money but costs us later on. In my case I DIY so it was only my time, but for those others it’s the cost of the light and a couple of hours labour, for something that could be 15 minutes including trim removal.

Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

What a crock of **** Tombie. You just have to look to many other makes that use a standard seal and a couple or more of bolts/nuts/screws. I have no issue working on it or spending money on it, and I’m not worked up, but there are easier ways. It’s a pain in the arse and when you consider it’s the most prominent point of the rear, it’s likely to take the first hit with any “at height” impact. This pain in the arse saves LR money but costs us later on. In my case I DIY so it was only my time, but for those others it’s the cost of the light and a couple of hours labour, for something that could be 15 minutes including trim removal.

Trouble with this view is where do you start to make a car Lego like and maintain integrety. .safety...style..affordability...and so on?

Ever taken the front or rear skirt off a 1988 VL Commodore...or fix the side trims on a Calais? Even back then no thought was given to future repair or replacement...Holden was merely focussed on manufacturing and assembly ease!!

Early Cat dozers had engine side panels that enabled engines to be fully rebuilt in frame...new ones don't...they are essentially throw away units.

I could go on...😞

Originally Posted by INter674

Trouble with this view is where do you start to make a car Lego like and maintain integrety. .safety...style..affordability...and so on?

Ever taken the front or rear skirt off a 1988 VL Commodore...or fix the side trims on a Calais? Even back then no thought was given to future repair or replacement...Holden was merely focussed on manufacturing and assembly ease!!

Early Cat dozers had engine side panels that enabled engines to be fully rebuilt in frame...new ones don't...they are essentially throw away units.

I could go on...

Making an engine without a dipstick for example!

I can imagine the designers thinking this is a ‘sealed for life’ light that will last the life of the vehicle and we’ll glue it on as per the f+r windscreen for a no corrosion no fixing solution as per every car on the planet. Most cars will never need to replace any of them.

I don’t disagree with them on the latter but not the former.

Originally Posted by PerthDisco

Making an engine without a dipstick for example!.

FWIW, I have seen a couple of underbonnet shots of the New defender,and it appeares the dipstick has returned.

I can’t remember which engine though.Maybe all the Ingenium engines have gone to dipsticks?

Originally Posted by scarry

FWIW, I have seen a couple of underbonnet shots of the New defender,and it appeares the dipstick has returned.

I can’t remember which engine though.Maybe all the Ingenium engines have gone to dipsticks?

I thought the Defender seemed quite expensive. That explains it - the inclusion of an unnecessary dipstick!

Yeah the no dip stick..the rotary gear selector and the e handbrake...and it seems to be catching on to just about all new cars.

Why oh why do they do it...is it the marketing team looking for something novel?😞

Got to be marketing..designers aren't that loopy..are they?