Thread: D4 3.0 SDV6 catastrophic failure

Originally Posted by Tombie

LR home mechanics (loose definition) are rife on the groups and wow, cheapest parts, cheapest oil, poor practices…. Combined I’m not surprised the failure rates increased on the pages..

Same as any brand,but some don’t seem to have anywhere near the issues,and many are not a low volume seller such as LR.

The explanation was good. I think a few very interesting points;

Total bearing width vs say a 1HZ straight-6 and 7 vs 4 main bearings. You can’t beat that if you want a million km engine.

The oil supply galleries to the conrods in the crank affecting troubled middle main bearings with low pressure and pulses.

The observation of huge torque in the SDV6 and nailing it from 1500rpm causing massive stress in an already stressed system with longer oil change intervals. Driving behaviour is an unknown causation factor.

The fudging of the oil pressure limits from the 2.7 to 3.0.

I’d love to go in and check main bearings as at least you’d only need to remove the middle lower caps to know immediately what wear exists.

Originally Posted by scarry

Same as any brand,but some don’t seem to have anywhere near the issues,and many are not a low volume seller such as LR.

Actually dont observe it too much here amongst many of the 4wd clubs in SA. Lots of Indy or Dealer servicing - especially in the Toyota camp if the vehicle is under 10 years old..
What I do see (around here), in known, regularly serviced Toyotas - is plenty of flat beds...

Even the drive home from QLD in the RRS had me watching several LC on flat beds with van hanging behind tray.

Was even chatting with an owner at a fuel stop, who told me I was game taking the RRS that far. I asked him what issues his 200 had ever experienced? The answer was mind boggling given his "Toyota is reliable" mantra.
Turbo actuator, Transmission, Starter, Alternator, Suspension, AC, stereo, LP pump, wheel bearings, fuel system, headlight mount, spot welds... he'd suffered them all... "Not too bad for 120,000km though", says he.
When asked about oil and fuel consumption - the response was golden - he puts in 1-2 litres of oil every 2-3000km and "does really good towing" - 22l/100km @ 80km/h

I just smiled... Told him it looks nice and drove off


I found a LC 200 Series group and joined it a while back - it didnt read any different to all the complaints and issues that come up on LR groups lots of problems posted.

Toyota warranty response makes JLR look angelic...

Originally Posted by Tombie

I asked him what issues his 200 had ever experienced? The answer was mind boggling given his "Toyota is reliable" mantra.
Turbo actuator, Transmission, Starter, Alternator, Suspension, AC, stereo, LP pump, wheel bearings, fuel system, headlight mount, spot welds... he'd suffered them all... "Not too bad for 120,000km though"

Tombie, I think you'll find that is considered reliable by most 200 owners.

I'm sort of amazed how forgiving they are on repairs so they can continue to have the most reliable vehicle.

One guy went in for a couple jobs and came out $30 odd k poorer and never blinked.....

And then an LR has to get an $800 job done and trades it because it costs too much to keep on the road.

Originally Posted by shack

Tombie, I think you'll find that is considered reliable by most 200 owners.

I'm sort of amazed how forgiving they are on repairs so they can continue to have the most reliable vehicle.

One guy went in for a couple jobs and came out $30 odd k poorer and never blinked.....

And then an LR has to get an $800 job done and trades it because it costs too much to keep on the road.

I've seen the same, but give the owner a bit more credit - they KNOW the Toyota costs a fortune, but they are willing to pay it to be part of the 'club'. That club doesn't want to admit there is a problem (ie, they bought the wrong car), so it's easier to throw shade at other cars. The Nissan vs Toyota (and Holden vs Ford) mentality is strong...

In my experience, 90% of people have zero imagination at all - why so many drive the exact same car, live in the exact same house, etc etc.

Tombie - have to agree - my brother bought a new 2010 HiLux at the same time as I bought my used 2007 RRS with 40,000km on it in 2010. My car now has 223,000km and his 200,000km.

Issues with mine other than standard serviceing - EGRs at 60,000km an alternator and a compressor rebuild - thats it.

The Hylux has been pretty good with only three steering columns, in December 2022 a full $3500 rebuild of the gearbox and a week later replace all the injectors (cost unknown as Bro will not tell me).

One thing though, the Hilux has better and more cup holders than my RRS.

We, as a group of LR owners are happy to bash our own vehicles but really they are no better or worse than other brands - my RRS is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned and I have had vehicles for over 50 years now.

Gotta have good cup holders.....but is it enough to justify buying a Toyota??

Originally Posted by Eric SDV6SE

Gotta have good cup holders.....but is it enough to justify buying a Toyota??

I'm sold