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    Park brake (EPB) sneaking on while driving?

    About 4 weeks ago, 100kph sustained for a good 20 minutes or more on the local highway.
    Nice flat road, freeway quality. Clear sunny day, around mid-20's.

    Rear right wheel starts to vibrate (up and down) and persists for a good five minutes while I find a safe place to pull over and stop.
    The vibration lasted all the way during deceleration and was definitely in sync with rotation. As in amplitude seemed to stay the same, put period dropped off as I slowed.
    Burnt my finger checking the temp of that drum!
    No visible damage, and I should say, no noise while all this was happening. Very strong metallic/brake burning smell.

    Googled a tyre shop 2km away to get wheel checked. I'd put a couple of plugs in it myself the weekend before. Perhaps it had gone out of balance or internal delamination.
    No issues driving there, and no fault found. He even checked the suspension bushes - no probs.

    Took it to my indie who kept it for a couple of days, even taking it home overnight so he could try and replicate speed.
    Checked bushes and everything else he could think of. No fault found.

    We decided I must have picked up some debris that threw itself out again as I stopped.

    I've done similar driving the past month - no issues.

    Until this weekend ...

    Similar circumstances - 100kph, 30 minutes into a trip, cruising at a steady 100kph, different hwy but similar quality flat surface.
    Same thing!
    This time my mate following me said he could smell the burn from his vehicle.
    I was too smart to burn my finger again, but that drum was just as hot!

    Got back in the car - we were 20 minutes from our destination, so I decided to see what would happen.
    Nothing. Not a fault, not a bounce, not a bong. Drum was normal temp when I got there.
    Did some serious offroading all weekend (low speed).
    Drove home on same highway at same speed. Nothing.

    I had cause to get another tyre checked at my local place this morning, and mentioned this, and he's thinking maybe the EPB is sneaking on, perhaps being activated by a short or faulty ECU?
    All my GAP tool reported morning is:
    U0128-00 (28) Lost communication with parking brake control module.

    Any pointers/suggestions, brains trust?
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    How interesting. You've followed a logical diagnostic procedure (as has your Indy) so I think I would start swapping out parts based on the "easiest first" principle. Perhaps start with a new switch as it's not expensive and easily replaced.
    Another thing you could check for is the cable not returning properly at that wheel or one shoe not releasing. Did you or your Indy remove the drum and check the shoes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselLSE View Post
    How interesting. You've followed a logical diagnostic procedure (as has your Indy) so I think I would start swapping out parts based on the "easiest first" principle. Perhaps start with a new switch as it's not expensive and easily replaced.
    It ain't the switch. There is no conceivable way a faulty switch could cause that. It's either on or off and if a diagnostic fails you get a flashy light on the dash.

    Quote Originally Posted by DieselLSE View Post
    Another thing you could check for is the cable not returning properly at that wheel or one shoe not releasing. Did you or your Indy remove the drum and check the shoes?
    ^^^^ Start there.

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    I hope the Indie at least pulled the drum to have a look.

    I've seen a couple where the friction material has delaminated from the shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselLSE View Post
    How interesting. You've followed a logical diagnostic procedure (as has your Indy) so I think I would start swapping out parts based on the "easiest first" principle. Perhaps start with a new switch as it's not expensive and easily replaced.
    Thought about that, but I replaced the switch myself in the past year, can't recall exactly when.
    I'd get warning lights, and the code reader reported a switch failure. On my indy's advice, I started there and it fixed the problem.

    Another thing you could check for is the cable not returning properly at that wheel or one shoe not releasing. Did you or your Indy remove the drum and check the shoes?
    I would have hoped so. I think I may ring him to be absolutely sure.
    Some time after the switch failure, the EPB started clunking and giving off the odd random squeal. My indy serviced it, and re-adjusted it, and all was fine.
    Perhaps he got a bad batch of shoes, or some crap has got lodged in the cable line? That could be likely given I frequently beach or off-road it.
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    I'd be thinking it's rubbish in the cable or similar stopping it from disengaging properly. ive has the same dtc pop up (intermittently) for a while but with no epb issues at all, many hours at 100kph freeway etc.

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    Epilogue (hopefully)

    Indy got it on the hoist earlier this week.

    EPB was out of adjustment and caused difficulty getting the rotor off, even when the adjustment was wound right back.
    Shoe was scored. All replaced, chamfered, cleaned up and wires and control module checked and serviced.

    Hopefully, that's that.
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