Thread: New model Ford Ranger has 3litre V6

Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

Yeah, the dipstick isn’t telling you your oil is diluted with diesel as is the case with those awful things

Nor that the timing chain is about to let go.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Tombie

The new Ingenium engines are failing now too.
Lots of interesting issues….. not one of them due to having a dipstick.

Dipstick?No we cant go there again

Yes,the 4 cyl diesel has been a disaster,unfortunately.

I remember when it first came out they were boasting about 50PSI boost.Not long after it was derated.Now it has been dropped from most models.

No reports on the diesel 6,hopefully its sorted.But it hasn't been out for long.

Originally Posted by scarry

Dipstick?No we cant go there again

Yes,the 4 cyl diesel has been a disaster,unfortunately.

I remember when it first came out they were boasting about 50PSI boost.Not long after it was derated.Now it has been dropped from most models.

No reports on the diesel 6,hopefully its sorted.But it hasn't been out for long.

Unfortunately i wouldn't trust any LR motor until it is a proven reliable prospect. Ie for me that means around 300,000 kilometres without any engine failure and at most say an alternator and water pump replacement in the meantime. But that seems a hard ask for LR. Jeez even my 4.0 V8 with its old tooling made it to 200,000 before an alternator went and somewhere over that before its first head gasket failure but I wouldn't call that reliable motoring if I remove the rose coloured glasses with the LR logo on the wings. Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

Unfortunately i wouldn't trust any LR motor until it is a proven reliable prospect. Ie for me that means around 300,000 kilometres without any engine failure and at most say an alternator and water pump replacement in the meantime. But that seems a hard ask for LR. Jeez even my 4.0 V8 with its old tooling made it to 200,000 before an alternator went and somewhere over that before its first head gasket failure but I wouldn't call that reliable motoring if I remove the rose coloured glasses with the LR logo on the wings. Cheers

In over 45 years,yes that unfortunately shows my age,I have never had an engine issue in any vehicle.
That includes a heap of work vehicles that did huge mileage.
They were always serviced correctly which probably helped.

All the LR’s we had were gone at less than 150,000 Km or 10 yrs…..

One of my brothers has a petrol D1 that has done just under 400,000Km,with very little issues,and only the usual head gasket coolant weep problem with the engine.
It does dribble a bit of oil from here and there though

Originally Posted by scarry

In over 45 years,yes that unfortunately shows my age,I have never had an engine issue in any vehicle.
That includes a heap of work vehicles that did huge mileage.
They were always serviced correctly which probably helped.

All the LR’s we had were gone at less than 150,000 Km or 10 yrs…..

One of my brothers has a petrol D1 that has done just under 400,000Km,with very little issues,and only the usual head gasket coolant weep problem with the engine.
It does dribble a bit of oil from here and there though

Mate I tend to hold on to vehicles I like. My D1 has over 300,000klm on the 3.9 and runs like a charm. But the D1s tended to be great. The tooling/casting was still good and they ran an inline thermostat, lower temps, no biasing to the heater and richer versus the D2 V8. Yes it didn't get the economy nor grunt of the D2....but the cost of engine failures buys a lot of unleaded. Cheers

Originally Posted by scarry

In another life we used to run refrigeration compressors in trawlers coupled to CAT 3208.
Can’t remember any real issues,but they no doubt did have some.

That comment about the 300,is something LR are yet to learn after 70 yrs…..

- the comment being plenty of R&D by Toyota for its V6 diesel.

My point: what choice did Land Rover have? They were bought by BMW, who developed their X5 from what they learn't. They kept the mini for front wheel drive R&D but sold off LR to Ford. It's silly to think that Land Rover could have refused to accept a Ford engine, as LR was then part of Ford. Who unlike GM put money into the vehicle companies they have bought. Look at Volvo compared to what GM did to SAAB. The LION was developed jointly with Peugeot, who had a great vehicle reputation with diesels. IMO it was the East West compromise (for very few vehicles bought) that has hurt the longevity. But that is IMO a minor issue.

The real issue is quality control in Ford's Dagenham engine plant. Most LION engines last a very long time without issues. While others fail after being looked after, some at low mileages. This substantiates that the cause has been manufacturing quality control.

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

- the comment being plenty of R&D by Toyota for its V6 diesel.

The real issue is quality control in Ford's Dagenham engine plant. Most LION engines last a very long time without issues. While others fail after being looked after, some at low mileages. This substantiates that the cause has been manufacturing quality control.

This has been debated many times by all sorts,including those that specialise in rebuilding the Ford Lion engines in the UK.
What we do know is the problems were never sorted by Ford,and LR sold vehicles with the engines fitted for many years,over many models,knowing there were problems.

Anyway,it is all history,owners just have to work with what they have.

I was surprised reading the Thread about the D4 that died that no mechanic has got his hands on a Ford V6 and stripped it down to see whether the ancillaries of the D4 will fit.
I have done a long search using google and other sources but no definitive answer. I recently saw a video by a bloke in the USA who strips down blown engines strip a D4 3l. . He thinks they are the same.
Another site I saw listed the differences as a forged crankshaft in the new V6. this seems to be corroborated by LR Time who bought a recent Ford branded crankshaft and it was identical in measurements to the 3L crank. He didn't comment whether it was forged or cast.
The differences listed on one site were 9 litre sump vs 6 in a D4, single turbo, forged crankshaft, and not much else.
I bet that there are numerous D4 owners who would love to know.
BTW, since I have been on the Ford Everest site I have not heard of one V6 self destructing and boy do those Ford owners whine. Totally different to the AULRO where IMHO the posters are incredibly tolerant of really **** quality and support from LR. I have my letter from Ford with 10 year warranty on my EGR cooler. Anyone have a letter from LR giving 10 year warranty on anything? I read about some bloke whose daughter was driving and ignored the oil pressure light due to a leaking drain from the turbo. One would think there would be numerous pools under the car but some people never seem to look under. Ford paid for a new engine, I believe.
Regards PhilipA