Thread: Axial rose joint vs original rubber bushes

Originally Posted by PeterOZ

any evidence of that?

Vehicle standards bulletin, National code of practice VSB NCOP14


Unless you consult an engineer and have him assess and sign off on your modification and blue plate your vehicle, then they may be allowed in a individual case basis.

Originally Posted by goingbush

Vehicle standards bulletin, National code of practice VSB NCOP14


Unless you consult an engineer and have him assess and sign off on your modification and blue plate your vehicle, then they may be allowed in a individual case basis.

Ok noted, I am still leaning towards the original spec lemforder arms.

Originally Posted by PeterOZ

Ok noted, I am still leaning towards the original spec lemforder arms.

The upgraded arms do not have rose joints. Use whichever arms you want.

Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

The upgraded arms do not have rose joints. Use whichever arms you want.

according to the supplier they do. Hence the nature of my thread on this subject.

Originally Posted by PeterOZ

according to the supplier they do. Hence the nature of my thread on this subject.

I’m not going to argue the point. I’ll simply repeat I bought these specific arms and they have bushes made of rubber. They’re a different design, yes. They are not a fixed or adjustable rose joint.

Buy whichever makes you happy.

Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster

I’m not going to argue the point. I’ll simply repeat I bought these specific arms and they have bushes made of rubber. They’re a different design, yes. They are not a fixed or adjustable rose joint.

Buy whichever makes you happy.

and I am telling you what the supplier has told me, if you don't believe it then then it is your problem and you take it up with them not me.

These are the arms as fitted to the Range Rover Sport L320. The metal frames are identical but the bushes are different, most importantly the rear bush is an axial design working like a bearing rather than a fixed bush, this is the usual failure point on the standard Discovery arm.][/QUOTE]

The above is directly copied from the AF website. It does not say "these arms are fitted with a rose joint". As these are also fitted as standard to the RRS, they must have adr compliance s otherwise they would all be unroadworthy here in Australia.

As I said, I fitted these arms to my D4, and I honestly could not tell by looking at the bush that it was any different than the oem d4 arms.

There must be a design tweak inside the bush, but it is definitely not a rose joint (aka spherical or ball joint) like a tie rod end.

AF rose joint.jpg

According to Paul Redding of AF they are a rose joint. Don't believe it then go argue the point with him.