Thread: The cults is done it again

Originally Posted by josh.huber

Yeah we get it, you bought a different vehicle!

The vehicle you bought actually needs a dipstick. Why do I say that, they drank oil, I had one and I lived through 3 engines.

Sorry if I come off rude, but this is the D4 Forum, not the LC justification forum, we bought them, still have them, have to live with them.

Given that my car is a D4, with a V6 diesel engine, WITH a dipstick to check the oil level, I couldn't help cracking up laughing when I read this rubbish.

Originally Posted by RichardK

You have just reminded me that the oldies 1949 Rover 75 had that system, I was too young to take notice of haw effective it was though, another different arrangement on the 6 cylinder engine as well was overhead inlet valves and side exhaust valves which were not easy to adjust.

Cheers
RichardK

Yes I was aware of these around 1950 when I first became interested in cars and started reading car magazines. But none of my family ever had one, although I did try to talk my father into buying a Rover in 1959 when he bought a new car for the first time (he bought a Simca V8).

Originally Posted by gavinwibrow

You can add a D1 auto trans dipstick to a D2. I have one fitted to my D2/TD5 RRC

yep, planning to do soon as well. I found a donor trans, but as it basically hasn't stopped raining since about Sept last year .. haven't had the chance yet.

Funny thing happened to my D1 a short while back ... the Tdi vibrate so much, that the trans dipstick tube snapped at the holding bracket(about half way up the tube).
Trans did a weird thing one day, and next day I thought best to check the dipstick .. pulled the stick .. zero fluid. Oh! start it up and put it in drive(idiot I am! )
Stick back in, pulled it out again ... this time half the tube and all!
Well, that explained the weird moment that the trans had, at least. So drained trans, pulled dipstick tube, welded up, petrol checked for leaks, cleaned up, spray painted refitted, this time with a bodge job second bracket support coming from the fuel filter area to hold the top of the dipstick tube more firmly. The std dipstick support bracket sits only half way up the tube, so the top half vibrates badly when engine is at idle(which TDi does at idle). So after so many klms it was bound to vibrate itself half off.

So .. did someone mention that dipsticks are the best option!

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Yes I was aware of these around 1950 when I first became interested in cars and started reading car magazines. But none of my family ever had one, although I did try to talk my father into buying a Rover in 1959 when he bought a new car for the first time (he bought a Simca V8).

Hi JDNSW, would that be the Simca VDETTE?

Cheers
RichardK

Originally Posted by AK83

My '79 Lancia HPE had a gauge that did same(could have been fuel gauge too).
IIRC I think it used a vacuum/pressure setup to operate. It seemed fairly accurate from what I could tell.
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A '79 Lancia .... how many litres of oil per 100km did it use?

Originally Posted by scarry

A dipstick just seems so much easier......and it's accurate.

WTF were they thinking.

Simple - a dipstick only reads if you take it out and read it right (which many no longer know how to do properly).

An oil level sensor - ties directly to the ECU and adds a level of safety. If level gets critical, vehicle faults and shuts down. Preventing a Numpty from seizing their engine.

A dip stick does not does this, nor does the idiot light - often when it’s come on some level of damage has been done.


By the same logic - why have a temperature gauge? Surely the old Torana “you’re stuffed” light is all that’s needed?

Perhaps get rid of the fuel gauge? Put a dip stick on the tank? Works for my boat….

Originally Posted by Tombie

Simple - a dipstick only reads if you take it out and read it right (which many no longer know how to do properly).

An oil level sensor - ties directly to the ECU and adds a level of safety. If level gets critical, vehicle faults and shuts down. Preventing a Numpty from seizing their engine.

A dip stick does not does this, nor does the idiot light - often when it’s come on some level of damage has been done.


By the same logic - why have a temperature gauge? Surely the old Torana “you’re stuffed” light is all that’s needed?

Perhaps get rid of the fuel gauge? Put a dip stick on the tank? Works for my boat….

Many 4 stroke engines including outboards have oil level sensors fitted that either shut the engine down or restrict the revs AND a dipstick as well.
What is wrong with having both fitted

With the amount of money we have to pay for our vehcles adding a dipstick isn't a Massive expense or an unsurmuntable engineering feat.
NOT having a dipstick fitted is a major oversight as far as I am concerned.

Originally Posted by RichardK

Hi JDNSW, would that be the Simca VDETTE?

Cheers
RichardK

Yes. The Vedette was built in Australia by Chrysler for two or three years before being replaced by the Valiant in 1961?.

For those not familiar with the model, it was basically the French version of the Ford Zephyr, only fitted with the side valve V8 instead of the six, and slightly larger. Ford was unable to make it work for them, and sold the Vedette works complete to Simca in about 1955. Simca dropped the larger of the V8s and used only the smaller one, fitting alloy heads and increasing compression to produce the same power. The lighter weight enabled them to change the steering ratio, and going to 15" wheels enabled brake drums to be upped to 11", which in turn enabled the pivot point of the McPherson strut to move inside the drum. These changes transformed handling. It was restyled by Farina in 1958, ending up with "wraparound" windscreen and high tailfins.

It was better equipped than most Australian cars at the time - it even had a heater! Upholstery and trim were not up to the standard of the French model. It was larger, roomier, faster, and handled better and much better braked than the contemporary Holden, but suffered from a three speed column shift that did not have a very brilliant RHD conversion! Boot was particularly cavernous - large enough that the spare stood upright on the left of the boot, inside the tailfin. Also had better lights than the Holden.