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    M62tu timing chain tensioner

    Hi gurus,
    My (allegedly) rebuilt 25k ago engine is giving me a bank 1 vanos error code.
    The engine sounds fine BTW.
    A YouTube BMW guy says that this is a sign that the chain tensioner isn't working properly (maybe due to clogged oil passages - I did an oil change and it looked pretty old but not too bad - filter was fine), and should be replaced before all hell breaks loose...
    On his bmw it's a fiddly but doable job, but on the l322 it looks like the a/c compressor is right in the way and would need to be removed first
    Has anyone done a replacement in situ and can offer advice?
    Cheers,
    Banksy

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    No, it's possible. I did mine while back.
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    I've done a couple of timing chain/guides and tensioners jobs now and you can get to the tensioner without removing the A/C compressor but removing the rocker cover will make it a little easier. It's a little tricky and not much room for your hands down there. If memory serves me correctly it's a 19mm socket and if you use a 3/8 drive ratchet with a swivel joint you can get it.

    But I'm not sure it is your tensioner. I'm thinking it might be your trigger wheel might have shifted. What code are you getting? Is it a P0021 or P0011?

    Do you get a surge in power when you hit 3000rpm? if so your cylinder adaption values have exceeded 11deg causing the Vanos to go into a safe mode


    Here is an old post of mine when I was trying to figure out some issues I had after the first timing chain job. (In this post when I talk about Chinese and German Auto Solution parts I only mean the timing tools.)

    Vanos non functional after timing chain replacement M62
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    I didn't remove the rocker cover but I did remove the air cleaner housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherX View Post
    I've done a couple of timing chain/guides and tensioners jobs now and you can get to the tensioner without removing the A/C compressor but removing the rocker cover will make it a little easier. It's a little tricky and not much room for your hands down there. If memory serves me correctly it's a 19mm socket and if you use a 3/8 drive ratchet with a swivel joint you can get it.

    But I'm not sure it is your tensioner. I'm thinking it might be your trigger wheel might have shifted. What code are you getting? Is it a P0021 or P0011?

    Do you get a surge in power when you hit 3000rpm? if so your cylinder adaption values have exceeded 11deg causing the Vanos to go into a safe mode


    Here is an old post of mine when I was trying to figure out some issues I had after the first timing chain job. (In this post when I talk about Chinese and German Auto Solution parts I only mean the timing tools.)

    Vanos non functional after timing chain replacement M62
    it is P0011.
    I've just driven it, and yes, it does seem like the power goes up at 3000rpm (though I'm used to a D4 where the second turbo kicks in a ~3000rpm), which might explain why my wife had previously complianed about a lack of power uphill when the revs drop off......

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    I can't find the post where I wrote about it and posted photos. I'll keep looking.

    FOUND IT!

    Someone who will actually do timing guides on M62??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banksy View Post
    it is P0011.
    I've just driven it, and yes, it does seem like the power goes up at 3000rpm (though I'm used to a D4 where the second turbo kicks in a ~3000rpm), which might explain why my wife had previously complianed about a lack of power uphill when the revs drop off......
    Ok your Vanos is in safe mode and non functional. P0011 is an over advanced timing code on bank 1. But it may not be advanced it may be retarded as mine was.

    See if your scan tool can read live data and check your adaption values as you can see in my attached old post and let us know what you find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FisherX View Post
    Ok your Vanos is in safe mode and non functional. P0011 is an over advanced timing code on bank 1. But it may not be advanced it may be retarded as mine was.

    See if your scan tool can read live data and check your adaption values as you can see in my attached old post and let us know what you find.
    Just sitting in the driveway, on clearing the DTC's and starting up, the VANOS Bank 1 and VANOS Bank 2 values start at 94.9, very briefly drop to ~60 to 70 and bounce around for a few seconds, and then go back to 94.9 and stay there.

    The DTC's have now changed to P0000 Electric Thermostat Circuit Fault, and P0012 Camshaft controls bank 1 fault.

    Cleared and retried several times with the same result.

    I didn't drive it anywhere, so assume that the P0011 will only come up if the engine gets under load?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banksy View Post
    Just sitting in the driveway, on clearing the DTC's and starting up, the VANOS Bank 1 and VANOS Bank 2 values start at 94.9, very briefly drop to ~60 to 70 and bounce around for a few seconds, and then go back to 94.9 and stay there.

    The DTC's have now changed to P0000 Electric Thermostat Circuit Fault, and P0012 Camshaft controls bank 1 fault.

    Cleared and retried several times with the same result.

    I didn't drive it anywhere, so assume that the P0011 will only come up if the engine gets under load?
    Yes P0011 "camshaft over advanced" will appear after a couple of minutes of driving. But now you have a P0012 "camshaft retarded" sort of leads me to think the trigger wheel might be loose. It's only held in place by the friction of a nut that holds it.

    Your vanos values after clearing the codes will dance around a bit until the computer throws a code then go into safe mode and lock the values a 95%. When the Vanos is in safe mode that's when you feel a boost in power at 3000rpm because over that a functioning vanos is set at 95% below 3000 is when the vanos is actually functioning controlling the intake cam.

    To check the rough position of the trigger wheel, take off the rocker cover, set the engine at TDC and you can lock your flywheel in the correct position with a 6mm drill bit. Now you can remove the allan keyed plug on the front of the upper timing cover and using another drill bit of the correct size to fit through the hole that will line up with the hole in the trigger wheel. That will get it close enough.

    Then you have to look at your Adaption Values to adjust the trigger wheel into the correct position if it's still throwing codes.

    BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE ROCKER COVER BOLTS. THEY ARE EXTREEMLY EASY TO STRIP OUT THE THREADS AND ONCE STRIPPED ARE NOT REPAIRABLE WITHOUT A MACHINE SHOP.
    04 L322 Vogue V8 - Work truck
    07 Freelander 2 TD4 SE - The wifes
    74 Leyland P76 Targa Florio - Aspen Green
    91 Kawasaki GPZ900R


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