Thread: Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

Originally Posted by Zeros

I don't, which is why I drive a Defender. But without the technology it's not really a Disco 5. So like the OP, wait for the Defender. But then it will probably have terrain response 2, wheels you can't get off road tyres for, and airbag suspension. So might as well buy a D5!

The new defender has to have an option for EAS....I'm loving the air bags in the rear on mine, if I had the spare coin I would replace the front springs to air as well

Thanks for the insight SBD4 and Weeds. Obviously my previous post was a bit tongue in cheek. ...I really like the sound of air suspension in some ways and the fact that T2 requires it makes sense. Hopefully on the next Defender it will be super durable. Cheers

I understand TR also helps keep on check excessive load on trans and drive shafts. Not that it's impossible to break something as someone recently demonstrated.

Trucks have airbags and they never have electronic issues.

Manufacturers should just make driveshafts strong enough to handle lockers. Indeed some do already.

I have experience with steering angle sensor controlled tc/esp/abs, etc etc, and i would rather not have any of it.

For example, i was driving in lots of really slipperly mud a few months ago. In many circumstances, when i braked at very low speeds, the abs would cut in very quickly, suggesting that that particular ground was very slick, and yet if i stomped on the brake pedal the car would stop almost dead. The abs was making it difficult for me to accurately assess the level of grip. I have achieved the same results of traversing slippery ground in the past with much less confusion.

Originally Posted by AndyG

My daughter is in the market, and almost bought a disco 5, however due to hubby pressure a BMW x3 40i is now top of the list. This is type of customer LR is chasing,
P.S am looking forward to borrowing the x3

The Chinese built x3 is not even in the same league, shopping trolley at best.

Originally Posted by SBD4

That's because terrain response requires air suspension, it is an integral part of the system. This comment epitomises the lack of understanding of these vehicles by those that haven't owned or driven them (understandably).

Um... my Discovery Sport and the Freelanders which preceded it have Terrain Response but all run on coil springs.

Originally Posted by TB

Um... my Discovery Sport and the Freelanders which preceded it have Terrain Response but all run on coil springs.

yes, indeed it does, as does my wifes Evoque. "Terrain Response" is not "Terrain Response 2" and, Terrain Response in Disco Sport/Evoque is still quite a number of notches down in capability to even that installed in the now superseded D4. To clarify, the D5 S will have Terrain Response, it will be the same as that installed in the Disco Sport and Evoque which is minus "Rock Crawl" mode and low range. Terrain Response models with Air Suspension and low range includes Rock Crawl, Terrain Response 2 adds the capability of auto-selecting the correct mode required by sensing the current terrain conditions.

Hope that clears it up for you.

There is only 2 differences between base TR and TR2 - TR2 on the D5 has Auto and ATPC - all the rest are STANDARD