Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

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Originally Posted by Vern

And particularly when comparing a stock car vs a modified!

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I reckon a Suzuki could do better than the VW - this one is pretty much stock too...

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Originally Posted by Vern

Hardly cv breaking material there.

Also you can fit 35's on a defender with nothing more than a 2" lift.

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It was a fun video.

I agree the defender has more potential for extreme offroading, but if you dont do the mods its gonna get beaten by my Rok.

Given the thread title, for the guys that are died in the wool live axle advocates, and given LR have stated the new deefer will be fully independent (?), where to from here? Secondhand deefer? 70 series toppleover? Jeep JK? G Wagon?

My original suggestion was that in the absence of an offroad suitable disco the Rok is the closest thing in the market. And now i wonder that if the new defender is also not suitable for offroading the Rok might also be the closest alternative in the market for that.

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Originally Posted by veebs

I bought a second hand machine - and love it. Let someone else cop the worst of the depreciation I say!

Not sure what the Defender vs Amarok "mine is bigger than yours" discussion has to do with the Discovery 5?

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...Well the thread is about being disappointed in the D5 and waiting for next Defender.

...and between now and then there will be a whole lot of spurious stuff about what else might be better than a D5 and / or the mythical new Defender LOL:eek2::wallbash:

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

It was a fun video.

I agree the defender has more potential for extreme offroading, but if you dont do the mods its gonna get beaten by my Rok.

Given the thread title, for the guys that are died in the wool live axle advocates, and given LR have stated the new deefer will be fully independent (?), where to from here? Secondhand deefer? 70 series toppleover? Jeep JK? G Wagon?

My original suggestion was that in the absence of an offroad suitable disco the Rok is the closest thing in the market. And now i wonder that if the new defender is also not suitable for offroading the Rok might also be the closest alternative in the market for that.

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I too have a rok, has a few mods, it is horrible off road compared to my rangie classic!
Now i can guarantee my rangie will leave my rok for dead, and every car in those vids you have posted.

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

It was a fun video.

I agree the defender has more potential for extreme offroading, but if you dont do the mods its gonna get beaten by my Rok.

Given the thread title, for the guys that are died in the wool live axle advocates, and given LR have stated the new deefer will be fully independent (?), where to from here? Secondhand deefer? 70 series toppleover? Jeep JK? G Wagon?

My original suggestion was that in the absence of an offroad suitable disco the Rok is the closest thing in the market. And now i wonder that if the new defender is also not suitable for offroading the Rok might also be the closest alternative in the market for that.

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You're funny Rammypluge! :Rolling: ...so you reckon the next Defender with IFS is going to be worse off road than your Amarok with IFS [tonguewink]

(ps: regardles ...all the above is part of the reason that current model Defenders prices are so high).

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Originally Posted by Vern

And particularly when comparing a stock car vs a modified!

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The difference in purchase price means up to 20k can be spent on the rok before a cent gets to be spent on the fender [emoji38]

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

The difference in purchase price means up to 20k can be spent on the rok before a cent gets to be spent on the fender [emoji38]

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And what does that have to do with the comparison of a modified vs non modified vehicle?

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Originally Posted by Vern

I too have a rok, has a few mods, it is horrible off road compared to my rangie classic!
Now i can guarantee my rangie will leave my rok for dead, and every car in those vids you have posted.

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Sounds like you did the wrong mods to your Rok, like most others.

I grew up in an essentially unmodified 77 rangie, and whilst it was awesome offroad, my Rok having as much flex, bigger tyres and a rear diff lock and front tc, etc, would beat it easy.

Of course if you fit that rangie with twin diff locks and 35's it will beat my Rok.

Look at the vents on the dashboard, its the spiritual successor!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/10/143.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/10/144.jpg

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Originally Posted by Vern

And what does that have to do with the comparison of a modified vs non modified vehicle?

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I am beginning to wonder what all this Amarok stuff has to do with a D5?[tonguewink]

Next there will be posts about hiluxes[bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

Sounds like you did the wrong mods to your Rok, like most others.

I grew up in an essentially unmodified 77 rangie, and whilst it was awesome offroad, my Rok having as much flex, bigger tyres and a rear diff lock and front tc, etc, would beat it easy.

Of course if you fit that rangie with twin diff locks and 35's it will beat my Rok.

Look at the vents on the dashboard, its the spiritual successor!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/10/143.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...017/10/144.jpg

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There you go again, comparing you 'modified' rok against a 'stock' rover!
Its getting tedious.
When my rok was im stock form, it was know where near as good offroad as my stock disco1, excluding the rear locker.
I didn't mod it for offroad, all i have done besides bar and canopy etc..is bigger a/t tyres and a lift courtesy of arb, all because i don't care, its set up for daily driving and touring around.
Dollar for dollar, it will never be as good as a rover!