Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

Nationalism?

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It was the May 2017 issue. I found it in the local library.
I thought it was a bit surprising as the D5 was the only real 4WD in the field.
The comparative categories were: Handling, speed, interiors, desirability, off-road, practicality.
The magazine said the D5 was 'the best 4x4 by far' and 'mighty off-road' while the Bentley was 'a mud-plugger inside'. I didn't even know Bentley made a SUV, so there you go.
Results:
1. Bentley Bentayga
2. Audi SQ7
3. Alfa Romeo Stelvio
4. Land Rover Discovery
5. Jaguar F-Pace
6. Skoda Kodiaq
7. Dacia Duster
8. Peugeot 3008

The Wrangler loses me with its cramped and juvenile interior before i could even start to consider it (same goes for outgoing defender). I am 6'5" though.

There is no reason why something much better couldnt be done, even considering the slim profit margins, they just need some inspired people.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

It was the May 2017 issue. I found it in the local library.
I thought it was a bit surprising as the D5 was the only real 4WD in the field.
The comparative categories were: Handling, speed, interiors, desirability, off-road, practicality.
The magazine said the D5 was 'the best 4x4 by far' and 'mighty off-road' while the Bentley was 'a mud-plugger inside'. I didn't even know Bentley made a SUV, so there you go.
Results:
1. Bentley Bentayga
2. Audi SQ7
3. Alfa Romeo Stelvio
4. Land Rover Discovery
5. Jaguar F-Pace
6. Skoda Kodiaq
7. Dacia Duster
8. Peugeot 3008

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I dont think there were any real 4wd's in the field. Europe is so devoid of offroading that they think offroading is towing a trailer over wet grass.

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Originally Posted by rammypluge

I dont think there were any real 4wd's in the field. Europe is so devoid of offroading that they think offroading is towing a trailer over wet grass.

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UK maybe but eastern Europe and Russia there is lots of off roading.

Just got back from England , where my wife and I attended one of the Landrover shows which was great ! <br>
On the way back to our car after the show, parked beside our car was a brand new Discovery 5 SE.and a gentleman hopping into it when we asked if we could take a look at it and he happily abliged. <br>
We were both very impressed with the d5 and his explaining to us about the vehicle which lasted nearly an hour, at the end of the discussion we thanked him then he said to us ,"you may not be aware but I am part of the design team for Landrover in Gaydon England";<br>
Being a Defender and Discovery fan , I asked about the up coming Defender .<br>
He assured us that people will be very impressed with coming Defender and said it is very close to one of the later concept Defenders being presented on internet at present.<br>
He also let us know the team was well aware of the issues with the d5 rear end.<br>
The updated Discovery5 in the years to come is going to be very interesting!<br>
He was one of many terrific people associated with Landrover we met at the show we did not plan to meet!

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Originally Posted by 1nando

.................................. i think discovery lost its offorad legitimacy with the out going d4.

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Surely you mean D2 ? The last offroad Disco with real suspension travel and tyres that actually have a sidewall :)

Interesting that a standard RRC with its open diffs and superb suspension would have given the lot of them a real good run for their money. Perhaps cup holders and ion generators are more important than native 4WD capability in todays market.

Deano :)

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Originally Posted by jethro

Just got back from England , where my wife and I attended one of the Landrover shows which was great !
On the way back to our car after the show, parked beside our car was a brand new Discovery 5 SE.and a gentleman hopping into it when we asked if we could take a look at it and he happily abliged.
We were both very impressed with the d5 and his explaining to us about the vehicle which lasted nearly an hour, at the end of the discussion we thanked him then he said to us ,"you may not be aware but I am part of the design team for Landrover in Gaydon England";
Being a Defender and Discovery fan , I asked about the up coming Defender .
He assured us that people will be very impressed with coming Defender and said it is very close to one of the later concept Defenders being presented on internet at present.
He also let us know the team was well aware of the issues with the d5 rear end.
The udated Discovery5 in the years to come is going to be very interesting!
He was one of many terrific people associated with Landrover we met at the show we did not plan to meet!

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Fascinating. Cheers Jethro.

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Originally Posted by DeanoH

Surely you mean D2 ? The last offroad Disco with real suspension travel and tyres that actually have a sidewall :)

Interesting that a standard RRC with its open diffs and superb suspension would have given the lot of them a real good run for their money. Perhaps cup holders and ion generators are more important than native 4WD capability in todays market.

Deano :)

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Yeah...i do agree with that point. Id love to see a d4 vs a d5 offroad comparison. Earlier in this thread someone claimed that LR improved offroad capability when they went away from live axles.......the hardest offroad that blokes done is a dirt track to a winery...[emoji1]

I feel the d4 has a better body shape and lends itself to bolting protective gear on better than a d5. Im hoping to get a nice d4 for the mrs and have it next to my defender. What could be better? A luxurious capable tourer and a tough as nails defender in the driveway......[emoji41]

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Originally Posted by DeanoH

Surely you mean D2 ? The last offroad Disco with real suspension travel and tyres that actually have a sidewall :)

Interesting that a standard RRC with its open diffs and superb suspension would have given the lot of them a real good run for their money. Perhaps cup holders and ion generators are more important than native 4WD capability in todays market.

Deano :)

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Many years ago now I took a highly modified D2 on a Disco3UK trip around the Flinders..

Whilst the D2 went everywhere and wasn’t lifting wheels anywhere near as much as the D3s, it certainly wasn’t doing it “easy”...

And some sections the D3s made things look even easier and more controlled.. now consider the D4 and now 5 have far more advanced systems and the D5 greater travel and you have vehicles that on HTs/ATs were making light work of tracks the D2 was earning its keep on...

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Originally Posted by DeanoH

Surely you mean D2 ? The last offroad Disco with real suspension travel and tyres that actually have a sidewall :)

Interesting that a standard RRC with its open diffs and superb suspension would have given the lot of them a real good run for their money. Perhaps cup holders and ion generators are more important than native 4WD capability in todays market.

Deano :)

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Have you ever driven an RRC?,I love them,but the first thing I'll do when I buy one is take away most of what makes it great off road. Pat