Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

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Originally Posted by trout1105

In all seriousness I doubt that there will be too many of these new D5's taken into any serious 4WD'ing situations over the next 5-10 years and when they finally do they will have been modified because I can't imagine one of these doing any serious Bush or Beach work the way they leave the showroom floor.
I can just imagine how many of these will end up looking like a stranded turtles this summer when their owners take them down to the beach for the first time on their silly 22inch street wheels and tyres.
With some modifications I can't see any reason why the D5 wouldn't be as good if not better than any other Discovery But straight out of the box I doubt it.

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You need a better imagination [emoji14]

And there is this on the disco UK site,


"As a ex disco 3 owner and now a defender owner I think the new disco looks as soft as a pensioners turd"


[bigwhistle][bigsad]

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Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

You need a better imagination [emoji14]

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I agree. I have asked someone who has actually tested it offroad, and as i have said before was very impressed, and not just a drive down a dirt road, 5 weeks of offroad testing.
Out of the box i am sure it would be just as good if not better than a d4.

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Originally Posted by weeds

99% of people vomit at the site of a defender.

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See I disagree Weeds, I reckon 99% of people go "ooh nice land rover" or something similar. Have very few negative reactions to the look of the Defender.[thumbsupbig]
The comfort on the other hand:toilet: but no worse than troopies.

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Originally Posted by PAT303

You blokes all sound like Toybota drivers when some one mentions the Range Rover.My RR walked through the motor X track in Newman as if it was a freshly mowed lawn.The D5 will suit the off road needs of 99% of off roaders. Pat

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Maybe so, but it looks like a Kardashians car, at least the RR looked the part. The D1/D2s looked ok from day 1, The D3/4 looked good from day 1, RR looked good until the evoque. Capability is not everything, it must also look the part.
Land Rover have forgotten what the Disco was intended for and that was mid range 4x4 and have now pretty much manufactured it out of the rare metal "Unobtanium". Is out of reach of most people now as will cost well over $100k for anything decent. The Freeloader is not an alternative and the only LR in any sort of decent price range.
My D1 when I bought it in 97 was $42k loaded with extras and on road and in a short 20 years the price of what should be the same level vehicle as risen by about 150%. Now makes an IVECO Daley look affordable.

Australia has become one of the most expensive countries in the world across the board - the inevitable result of growth capitalist greed as our national mantra, a small population, and global distance. Housing, vehicles, food, are all more expensive here now than almost any other country in the world.

I can't afford a $100,000 vehicle either, but there must be a massive number of people who can.

I'd like to take a D5 for a drive...see what all the fuss is about. But in world where even dual cabs have become luxurious I fear for the future of pragmatic practical working 4WD vehicles.

Hopefully the next Defender is the answer, but I also fear there may be a whole lot more disappointed Land Rover people if it's pitched at the $100+K urban adventurer market like all other current Land Rovers.

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Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

You need a better imagination [emoji14]

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Imagination is one thing, Fantasy is something quite different [bigwhistle]
The beaches here in the West are very different to those in the East and I can guarantee you that those big rims and bicycle tyres are NOT up to the task here in the West [thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Imagination is one thing, Fantasy is something quite different [bigwhistle]
The beaches here in the West are very different to those in the East and I can guarantee you that those big rims and bicycle tyres are NOT up to the task here in the West [thumbsupbig]

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You don't have to look to far,that is on U tube,FB, or what ever,and see many get themselves in trouble on the beaches here as well.

And correct,it is often those soccer mums chariots with their low profile tyres, going for their once a yr adventure on the beach[biggrin]

Looks like it will be very difficult for the aftermarket guys. I can't see any way to fit a bar to the front or rear. The 4 was easy. JLR have definately lost the plot. This model is aimed squarly at the businessman/soccermum market. Wonder if any of these will make it to the cape? Just hope the new Defender will come with a decent sized (3.0 lt please) engine.

mick.

The old Tele Track has parts (forget the old Gunshots) that stop D3 and D4 (2 spots I can think of. The climb out of Palm Crk and Gunshot). This technical stuff requires more than a stock d3 or d4 with 19 inch AT tyres (Maxis 980 and Duelers) - both vehicles driven by experienced LR driver's using full height, momentum, correct settings and multiple attempts. Those 2 places needed modified live axle vehicles with more clearance _ think D2 with 16's and very agressive AT's 2-3 inch lift and 75 series cruiser with 4 inch lift and muddies. So..D5 Cape unassisted on 22's...no. They have lost the plot.

Cheers
Ps perhaps muddies and rear elocking diff and both vehicles might well have made the hardest spots.