Thread: Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

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Chocolate for me anyday.

Originally Posted by rammypluge

The D3/4 has 9" at the front and 13" at the back.

Rhett's Automotive, flex track, Loveday 4x4 Adventure Park - YouTube

The front flexes better now that it did at the time of that video.

That is laughable at best, super unstable, limited wheel travel and on a very mild track.

Amarok owners, always keen to shove their perceived superiority in the face of those that really don't care.

Amaroks now added to the list of vehicles I don't help

How many IFS builds do you see where a solid axle swap is carried out - ****loads - same can't be said for IFS swaps

There is a reason people spend big money to replace IFS 100 series cruiser etc with live axle...

Cheers

Ps. Just an example

Live-Axle Conversions | 4X4 Australia

Originally Posted by komaterpillar

That is laughable at best, super unstable, limited wheel travel and on a very mild track.

Amarok owners, always keen to shove their perceived superiority in the face of those that really don't care.

Amaroks now added to the list of vehicles I don't help

How many IFS builds do you see where a solid axle swap is carried out - ****loads - same can't be said for IFS swaps

Thats a bit harsh, i own (well its my wifes) a rok, don't see me shoving its 'superiority' in anyones face! Also if my wife was stuck would you really refuse to help her?

He would help. All LR driver's help the less fortunate. Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

He would help. All LR driver's help the less fortunate. Cheers

Luckily we are landrover drivers as well

Originally Posted by rammypluge

If you create two vehicles exactly the same, except one has live axles and one has independent, to give both the same flex and the same body roll during cornering, the vehicle with live axles will need stiffer coils or anti-roll bars, because of the narrower platform of the spring attachment points. [snip]

Umm, no.
I could position the spring pickup point probably further out board with a live axle than a conventional wishbone with the coil mounted off the bottom wishbone.
If i used pushrods I can mount the pickup point as far outboard as possible on both setups, maybe marginally further outboard on a wishbone setup, and using pushrods the bottom wishbone doesn't need to be as beefy, although with an off-roader we need it to be strong to cope with rocks.
Wishbone length is a real compromise as chassis and important things like an engine and ancillaries get in the way, and we still have the issue of CV angles due to short shafts

Road vs Off road is always a compromise, the only way to make something handle on road with minimal roll and still articulate off road is with something like active suspension, Land Rovers ACE or current pneumatic system or a Kinetic style system.

Live axles have worse ride on road due to the much, much greater unsprung weight, and this affects road holding too, and we have things like inherent shimmy to control, but it's the unsprung weight thing that helps off road.

Originally Posted by rick130

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Biggest thread drift ever Rick.