Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

**chuck** · 2nd September 2017, 05:06 PM

My D4 will go anywhere my sons defender will go & has and I use Ladder Track in Mt Disappoint as an example.

Less body lean & lower centre of gravity.

The one caveat is the scratches on the 20" rims although to be fair my sons defender was running bigger tyres 255 85 16's.

I am not knocking the Defender at all as I love them just saying the D4 in comparison is very very capable.

The D5 will be even better than the D4 off road & you can get a decent off road tyre on them with out changing rims.

Then you have to remember the road trip to your destination which is done by a D4 much more easily & safely than a Defender and in turn the D5 will do better again.

I do not think the new defender will be a $100,000 + vehicle it is being built to compete against the Japanese, Thai & German vehicles

Will it be more expensive than a Hilux - yes
Will it be better than a Hilux - Yes.

The New Defender will be the most capable 4x4 Landrover has produced.

I like the new D5 however I will wait for the new Defender to come out as I do not really want to pay as much for a D5 as they currently are.

My dream vehicle would be the New Defender in 130 twin cab configuration with V6 diesel, 8 speed auto, air suspension, 17" rims & stock winch, bulbar & snorkel options.

**ozscott** · 2nd September 2017, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Vern

Ahh it appears they come with 19" and 20" rims.

It was a D5 new owner on here that is going to change from 22 to 20... glad to know they have 19 inch as a delete option.

Cheers

**Vern** · 2nd September 2017, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

It was a D5 new owner on here that is going to change from 22 to 20... glad to know they have 19 inch as a delete option.

Cheers

Yeah i didn't even see 22 as an option, only 19 and 20. 17 would be better

Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

**ozscott** · 2nd September 2017, 05:50 PM

Vern this is thread I was thinking of. Page 1. Cheers

The Peoples D5

**scarry** · 2nd September 2017, 06:21 PM

That 19" size is not very common,a 60 profile,not 55 like D4.

**Disco-tastic** · 2nd September 2017, 06:43 PM

Why do people keep comparing it to a defender? Compare it to the D4 it replaces, sure, but its not made for the same market as the defender was made. Therefore its not going to have things people in that market like.

**DI5CO** · 2nd September 2017, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

Why do people keep comparing it to a defender? Compare it to the D4 it replaces, sure, but its not made for the same market as the defender was made. Therefore its not going to have things people in that market like.

Thank you!!
Or an 80 series, or a 79 series, or a 15yr old Pootrol or anything old and boxy with no safety systems!!
I got rid of my D2 because it wasn't safe for my family and I wanted something a little safer. Yes I may not be able to do some of the rough stuff the 2 did (only due to scratching lol) but that was my compromise and it's a fantastic tourer and chews up k's way better that any old box car out there.

**PAT303** · 2nd September 2017, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

The old Tele Track has parts (forget the old Gunshots) that stop D3 and D4 (2 spots I can think of. The climb out of Palm Crk and Gunshot). This technical stuff requires more than a stock d3 or d4 with 19 inch AT tyres (Maxis 980 and Duelers) - both vehicles driven by experienced LR driver's using full height, momentum, correct settings and multiple attempts. Those 2 places needed modified live axle vehicles with more clearance _ think D2 with 16's and very agressive AT's 2-3 inch lift and 75 series cruiser with 4 inch lift and muddies. So..D5 Cape unassisted on 22's...no. They have lost the plot.

Cheers
Ps perhaps muddies and rear elocking diff and both vehicles might well have made the hardest spots.

So tell me,what stock 4wd will do the Tele track?.Prado/Paj/200 series

. Pat

**PAT303** · 2nd September 2017, 07:20 PM

[QUOTE=1nando;2715088]To me a off road vehicle needs to have the abiltiy to be able to bolt protection to it to stop panel damage. Thats a proper off road vehicle!

Do a you tube search on heartbreak ridge,I did it in a stock series 3 swb,do a search on blue rag, a different stock series 3 swb and finally billy goat bluff,you guest it,a stock Tdi defender.All difficult tracks,particularly heart break ridge,not a single piece of bolt on Taliban glitter in sight

. Pat

**Zeros** · 2nd September 2017, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

Why do people keep comparing it to a defender? Compare it to the D4 it replaces, sure, but its not made for the same market as the defender was made. Therefore its not going to have things people in that market like.

Because many Disco owners keep comparing their Discos to Defenders in terms of bush ability and since the D5 is so lux oriented now, many think (wish) the next Defender will be more like a D4.

PS: Pat's right, Defenders need the least mods to do the hardest tracks, and/or long desert kms. Starting with practical things like 16" steel wheels, clearance and simplicity. Most Defender mods are unnecessary but enjoyable extras, unlike most other models which require things like suspension upgrades and replacement wheels that you can actually get non highway biased tyres for.

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