Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by rar110

Amarok have an ZF 8 speed, so possible. But AFAIK do not have a true low ratio rock crawler type first gear.

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Same gearbox as LR have used for quite a few years now, though potentially with slightly different ratios.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

But a rule of thumb is that the torque converter in an auto is the equivalent of a 2:1 addition so a 5:1 1st gear is like a 10:1 in a manual.

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Which is great for getting a heavy van moving on an incline, but not something you want to lean on continuously while clambering around the rocks and ruts.

The state of the art 9 and 10 speed autos haven't convinced me they're a better choice than the ZF8 with high/low range for a truly versatile vehicle - meaning the full gamut from rock crawling to spending hours at 110km/h on the dual carriageway.

Interestingly the Bollinger all-electric 4WD uses a 2-speed gearbox... do we want to call that high/low range or just a 2-speed auto? Electric motors really do change the game :)
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So Defer... gimme 8x2 in a mild hybrid, but start adding serious electric shove and suddenly I'm all ears on the gearing options.

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Originally Posted by harro

Similar to the Amarok?

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Which,without low range,is just a pretender.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Which,without low range,is just a pretender.

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For sure.

Having reverse without low range isn't a barrel of laughs either...especially towing.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

For sure.

Having reverse without low range isn't a barrel of laughs either...especially towing.

Cheers

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Yep.
It was a game changer for the ex when I showed her you could use low range when reversing or manoeuvring the horse float

Absolutely no way you're getting away without low range on a FULL SIZE 4 wheel drive if all the drive is going through a transmission (no direct drive electric).

I have tried it and it does not work and that was with no load.

The vehicles are too heavy to do the kind of low speeds you need to be doing off road when maneuvering through difficult terrain especially where steep inclines are involved. The transmission overheats in no time with no lockup on the torque converter. Also, as already mentioned, reverse without low range is a killer with heavy loads and they sure won't give you two reverse gears in those 9/10 speeds.

The nine speeds have been available in the Evoque since 2011 and subsequently in the Disco Sport in 2016 which are far lighter vehicles so more suitable to the application.

With direct electric drive it's not even a question - no transmission at all and each wheel independently driven or, at least a motor front and back. That's the ideal.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Which,without low range,is just a pretender.

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Interesting article on the Amarok

Volkswagen Amarok TDI420 is an off-road 4x4 of the future | Practical Motoring

I understand the V6 Manual Amarok now has Dual range transfer.

Some good news after all the doom and gloom

Tata Motors’ Shares Jump 10% On JLR’s Record February Sales In U.S.

Geneva Auto Show: Electric Jaguar Wins Car Of The Year

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Interesting article on the Amarok

Volkswagen Amarok TDI420 is an off-road 4x4 of the future | Practical Motoring

I understand the V6 Manual Amarok now has Dual range transfer.

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Would be a good move. Man it would have to be a long long bargpole I would need before I touched one.

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I’ve met a few Amarok owners, with mostly positive feedback. One business owner who had several (one after another) would do 120,000km per year who raved about them. Another was a vet who did more normal km, had several breakdowns and wouldn’t buy another.

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Originally Posted by rar110

I’ve met a few Amarok owners, with mostly positive feedback. One business owner who had several (one after another) would do 120,000km per year who raved about them. Another was a vet who did more normal km, had several breakdowns and wouldn’t buy another.

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I was an amarok owner, 160kk without a spanner put on it, then the egr started to go and was using coolant, which happens on modern diesels, so we traded it as it didn't suit our needs anymore. Great car besides that.