Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I am thinking that the only people that will buy the new defender will be Landrover the "tragic's" and I highly doubt that it will win any of the Toyota/Nissan buyers over.
None of the current JLR products can honestly be considered as hard core off road machines, They are simply luxury SUV's and the majority of them will never see much off road work.
IF the new defender continues down this path I can't see it being successful in the Australian market.

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Wait till you see it, rumour is its guna be pretty beasty..just about anything could win over Nissan drivers with the body and interior they put on the Y62, and plenty of people dont want to be sheeple or like the Jones and get a cruiser because marketing tells them too, they want something special.
Cruisers and Nissan have their place and buyers, the new defender will too, and they will sell far more than they used too imo.
I can see the new defender being that allready.
"Tragics" only ones to buy, highly doubt it from what ive seen, but that's just my opinion.
JLR are not gunna reinvent something that is no longer liable for something that is not viable again, the business case would be rock solid, put together by people no doubt much smarter than you or I.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

I own a 2.2 Ranger c/c , a 130 in disguise , with zero faults and problems , obviously for the past 15 odd years , you and I have been on completely different Aulro forums.

I'm on the one where there has been thousands of regular complaints about every Land Rover model where there is pathetic back up from dealers and LR itself. I owned a D2 for 8 years, one ****ing thing after another. Why do you think I bought the Ranger?

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Awesome you love your ranger and having a good trot, ive heard of them having dramas too, vibes, trans issues, engine issues Ford Ranger 62 Reviews (with Ratings) | ConsumerAffairs (looks like you got lucky).
Sorry you had problems with your D2 mate, when did you sell her? Was it a classic model? Heard they are amazing, have a mate I wheel with and he swears by them, as does LRA, they have found them to be one of the best bases to build a tourer from for many reasons, including base cost, comfortable and practical interior, susp geo, brakes, reasonably reliable etc, i tend to agree although i can't go past a RRC softdash, such amazing vehicles.

This forums great mate, helped me to understand landrovers and how to keep them reliable, many people expect a 20+year old Landover to be as reliable as something that just popped out of the factory. In order to keep a 10 or 20 year old vehicle running Micky mouse one must maintain as per manual even after 200-300 kms. Who does that? Not many, most are reactive. In order to keep an older 4x4 of any brand reliable you must proactively maintain, as in know what types of kms components have done and proactivly replace, not wait for them to fail and blame the vehicle. Hopefully the new defender is up to your standards and you will be back waving to other landrover owners again soon[emoji1417]

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Originally Posted by tc_s1

Half the expected problems are, unfortunately, likely going to be EXACTLY that, software needs for updates. Sadly a modern vehicle doesn't seem able to tske one into the bush, stay offline and maintain an avility to operate properly. Give me basic, old school simple with a few modern conveniences rather than necessities and I'll line front of any waitlist. Since that won't be the offer I'll instead wait to see.

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Agree with KISS rule, but sometimes older simpler cars are more prone to break or break down too, trust me i know haha. Modern vehicles have come a long way, many examples of this forum of brand new RRS, RRV or D4s hitting some of the most remote parts of oz with no dramas, was just reading about a RRS (almost no mods) that did a great trip just last night.

Today for a serious and popular tourer 4x4, its about finding the perfect balance of safety, reliability, comfort and capability, all things JLR have no doubt had to juggle with the new fender.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Yep and D2 has a better build than Puma. Look I am a big fan of D2; Deefer and RRC BUT they have their 'preventative maintenance' requirements that a lot of other brands don't need to the same degree.I am happy to deal with that as they are easy to work on and don't let you down if you preempt issues and they are an unbeatable package on and off road. But let's not look through rose colored glasses.

Cheers

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I agree with first half, however a 20 year old cruiser or Nissan are in my opinion not cheap to maintain proactively, especially with the expensive diesels to maintain or rebuild. One guy we wheeled with a few years back did over 15k worth of damage at Lithgow in his 80series, from memory, diff, cv, steering rod, engine (not a water or mud incident) engine was not cheap to rebuild, but it needed doing earlier, not when it let go. RRC or D2 5k base(20-25year old), rebuilt engine 7.5k, box 4k, transfer 1.5k, Ashcroft driveline for 5k you've got yourself a solid, reliable, comfortable and special 4x4 that outperforms most 4x4s for under 25k, then its just the little things to proactively maintain like any other 4by.

Newer Landrovers are always going to be a little bit more expensive to maintain and run due to what you get, they are special vehicles and their maintenance needs respecting if you want to enjoy driving something you love, not just own to get from A to B.

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Stay calm, purists.

We've driven the original Defender and although its off-road capability is indisputable, we wouldn't want to drive it for long distances.

"The vast majority of people are living with this car day-to-day so it needs to be refined and comfortable but also live up to that Defender name,” said Nathan Hoyt, spokesperson at JLR. "I’ve driven the early prototypes, and they are so refined,” Hoyt said. "I think everybody will find something to enjoy.”

Can't get over that rear departure angle personally, wow!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6f6360e599.jpg

I'd guess that the Defender will come in a range of grades - rubber floors and hose out at one end and HSE Disco equivalent at the other. One will happily wear bush stripes, the other won't.

Contrary to some of what's been said here, if you want your rubber-floored hose out model then the luxury versions have to be part of the mix, because otherwise LR are unlikely to get the volume. Unless they go after the mine market, but there's been no sightings of a single or twin cab.

Sure, you can complain about "soccer mums" (which is a stupid phrase in Victoria, because it's more likely to be "Auskick mum") but people who bought the D4 for family transport knew exactly what they were doing and if they do buy the new Defender it helps it get the minimum sales it needs to continue.

And, if the new Defender does turn out to have a lot of the characteristics of the D4 that were dropped in the D5 - like good visibility and square corners - then they will be bought for the school run.

And if it takes off in the US, that alone would probably give them a big chunk of the volume they need, given that they sold about 10,000 D5s there last year.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

I'd guess that the Defender will come in a range of grades - rubber floors and hose out at one end and HSE Disco equivalent at the other. One will happily wear bush stripes, the other won't.

Contrary to some of what's been said here, if you want your rubber-floored hose out model then the luxury versions have to be part of the mix, because otherwise LR are unlikely to get the volume. Unless they go after the mine market, but there's been no sightings of a single or twin cab.

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I don’t get the fascination of hosing out a car.

Starting driving Perenties in 90 and have owned a 300tdi and now a TD5, never had the need to hose out the car.

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Originally Posted by weeds

never had the need to hose out the car.

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Probably something to do with living in Australia. It is handy in places with winter and mud.

The problem with the new Defender is three fold. First it will be expensive. Second it will be complex and lastly it will be built on a platform that is not inherently good off road.

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Originally Posted by weeds

I don’t get the fascination of hosing out a car.

Starting driving Perenties in 90 and have owned a 300tdi and now a TD5, never had the need to hose out the car.

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You apparently don't drive through paddocks with cattle and lots of gates (boots can need hosing down as well) .....

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

You apparently don't drive through paddocks with cattle and lots of gates (boots can need hosing down as well) .....

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I simply use those rubber mats you can get at the auto joints, they have a lip around the edges so that all the crap on your boots stays on the mat and not on the floor.
All you need to do is drag them out when they are dirty/full and hose them out[thumbsupbig]
I am not a fan of rubber/plastic floors as they are always hotter and noisier than a carpeted floor and I can put up with the inconvenience of having to run a vacuum over them every now and then[biggrin]