Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by LRJim

And indian steel is better? [emoji23][emoji23] This went through my mind also, but who the hell knows where tata are getting their steel for JLR

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Aluminium don't you mean [emoji6][emoji23]

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

This really annoys me, stealing peoples IP, especially when you have the company operating in the same country.

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It why I've never bothered to get anything patented !!

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Originally Posted by scarry

Just getting back on topic

Was it a part for the new Defender....?[tonguewink]

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Puma Getrag gearboxes are made in China IIRC , If not the Puma the Mustang MT82 certainly are !!

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Puma Getrag gearboxes are made in China IIRC , If not the Puma the Mustang MT82 certainly are !!

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Pretty sure the Deefer MT82's are assembled in the UK but IIRC they use Chinese bearings as JC has had a few customer 'boxes fail.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

100% Agree, real world people find problems testers never knew could exist, same with every car, imo all the major stuff will be sorted, like modern phones they release after hardware is tested and solid, they then keep updating the software after the real world finds all the minor glitches, I'm happy to be a real world tester, warranty and consumer guarantee covers me beyond warranty period so no loss.

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Half the expected problems are, unfortunately, likely going to be EXACTLY that, software needs for updates. Sadly a modern vehicle doesn't seem able to tske one into the bush, stay offline and maintain an avility to operate properly. Give me basic, old school simple with a few modern conveniences rather than necessities and I'll line front of any waitlist. Since that won't be the offer I'll instead wait to see.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

What model do you own?

A lot less "bugs" in the latest defenders than just about anything else, then again with the gaps in panels, im sure a few could wiggle in [emoji23]

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No bugs in my perenties. No luxury comfort, but no bugs. [emoji16]

I am thinking that the only people that will buy the new defender will be Landrover the "tragic's" and I highly doubt that it will win any of the Toyota/Nissan buyers over.
None of the current JLR products can honestly be considered as hard core off road machines, They are simply luxury SUV's and the majority of them will never see much off road work.
IF the new defender continues down this path I can't see it being successful in the Australian market.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

What model do you own?

A lot less "bugs" in the latest defenders than just about anything else, then again with the gaps in panels, im sure a few could wiggle in [emoji23]

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I own a 2.2 Ranger c/c , a 130 in disguise , with zero faults and problems , obviously for the past 15 odd years , you and I have been on completely different Aulro forums.

I'm on the one where there has been thousands of regular complaints about every Land Rover model where there is pathetic back up from dealers and LR itself. I owned a D2 for 8 years, one ****ing thing after another. Why do you think I bought the Ranger?

Yep and D2 has a better build than Puma. Look I am a big fan of D2; Deefer and RRC BUT they have their 'preventative maintenance' requirements that a lot of other brands don't need to the same degree.I am happy to deal with that as they are easy to work on and don't let you down if you preempt issues and they are an unbeatable package on and off road. But let's not look through rose colored glasses.

Cheers

I should add...it never let me down.