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8th June 2019, 09:34 PM
rick130

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

What if, like with the D4 in the UK, there actually is a commercial model?

I'm also not 100% convinced that all Defenders were hardcore working vehicles - I saw one today with a lot of leather and carpet .... ergonomics were still *&**^ though.

True, there are a lot of Tdci's used by the latte set! [bigwhistle]

But they were designed to work. My old girl hauled a 400l water tank from new as a bush fire fighting vehicle, then when off lease I used it for farm and trade work.
There's still a 130 Tdci crew cab in local council use with a 3-400l tank on it and two reels off the back for weed spraying (how, without air bags I'll never know?)

I highly doubt we'll see a new 'Defender' setup like that!
8th June 2019, 10:32 PM
blackrangie

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Yes, articles like that are why I subscribe to Outside.

Never heard of them before this, what are they about?
8th June 2019, 10:40 PM
blackrangie

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Originally Posted by Homestar

It won’t be long before they complete locking down both service histories and diagnostics - there are quite a few OEM’s heading this way. Once the service history in the vehicles ECU an Indy can’t service it and record the service so your warranty will be void (That’s what they’ll want you to believe and most will although in Australia consumer law does protect from this in some way shape or form) - it’s already like this on some higher end euro cars. It’s what the right of repair legislation is trying to overturn in the USA. Legislation and legal action will stop this at some point but they’ll get their pound of flesh from owners in the meantime.

Win for local mechanics with plan to make world'''s car makers share high tech data
8th June 2019, 11:04 PM
Arapiles

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Never heard of them before this, what are they about?

They're a very influential US outdoor magazine, in content and layout - there have been a couple of local mags that were straight copies. They gave a start to, or published regularly, writers like Tim Cahill and Jon Krakauer. A couple of their more famous articles morphed into books and films like The Perfect Storm (Sebastian Junger) or Into Thin Air (Jon Krakauer).
8th June 2019, 11:24 PM
blackrangie

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

What if, like with the D4 in the UK, there actually is a commercial model?

I'm also not 100% convinced that all Defenders were hardcore working vehicles - I saw one today with a lot of leather and carpet .... ergonomics were still *&**^ though.

Agreed

And to add to that

D5 also has a commercial version.(1st 2 photos)

New defender from what had been seen shows checker plate bonnet sides, 1 peice real snorkel, winch, sliders, exoedition rack, 3 front seats, rubber floors, simple dash, metal bash plate at front, big bash plate under, big real recovery points all around. It has the potential to be very rugged, durable and utilitarian or luxury.

Slightly rounder panels for efficiency and some up to date reliable tech doesn't exclude something from being utilitarian (practical)

Imo the new defender will be in many ways more practical then the old and to be fair the old will be more practical in some ways than the new.

I would say the new defender will be as practical(utilitarian) as possible for the worldwide market.

In time we will see various body styles like the current one and they will be used in many practical environments both privately and commercially not dissimilar to what has already been proven at Borana with Tusk, I look forward to towing or full payload with car sitting dead level and susp and handling still working as it should.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...741f9f8161.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...42b19bdafd.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...66fd31499a.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...074b8a58c1.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1ab15e9131.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b549e58e26.jpg
9th June 2019, 06:32 AM
ozscott

This is what gives tech in LR a bad name. Freeze vid at 6 mins YouTube

I would like to think in the new Defender this sort of course would not be an issue and check engine and other warning lights would remain off even when driven hard. If LR can achieve that sort of build then they will likely have my money and a lot of other people's.

Cheers
9th June 2019, 07:23 AM
DiscoMick

I'm a Defender owner who previously had a Disco and I'm interested in the new Defender.

My wife's Thermomix connects to our home Wi-Fi and does updates, so I can't see why a Defender couldn't be logged in, like by Bluetooth with phones, and do the same.

Most EVs will recharge at home, but a highway network is needed for travellers. It will become a marketing ploy to attract travellers to stop and eat while they recharge. For example, there is an EV recharging point in Byron Bay where travellers from Brisbane take their EVs to recharge while they walk around the corner to the shops.
9th June 2019, 07:39 AM
scarry

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Originally Posted by rick130

True, there are a lot of Tdci's used by the latte set! [bigwhistle]

But they were designed to work. My old girl hauled a 400l water tank from new as a bush fire fighting vehicle, then when off lease I used it for farm and trade work.
There's still a 130 Tdci crew cab in local council use with a 3-400l tank on it and two reels off the back for weed spraying (how, without air bags I'll never know?)

I highly doubt we'll see a new 'Defender' setup like that!

They are definitely the go to vehicle in East Africa for the locals.

Any LR product older than one with a TDi isn't wanted.

Even many Govt departments still run the older models.

They hate complication and electronics.

Anything older than a TDi LR,has the big T badge on the front,they still get the 6 cyl 1HZ new.

But they do say,the old LR,with long travel coils,still has the edge on the latest Tojo in the real rough stuff,and is more comfortable.
9th June 2019, 09:13 AM
Homestar

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Win for local mechanics with plan to make world'''s car makers share high tech data

Thanks for that - but a long way to go as this is a discussion paper. Won’t and can’t discuss here what could happen from there.
9th June 2019, 09:36 AM
blackrangie

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Originally Posted by ozscott

This is what gives tech in LR a bad name. Freeze vid at 6 mins YouTube

I would like to think in the new Defender this sort of course would not be an issue and check engine and other warning lights would remain off even when driven hard. If LR can achieve that sort of build then they will likely have my money and a lot of other people's.

Cheers

Agreed, Love that vid, my favourite RR Vouge river crossing, if light is not flashing its not serious and can still be driven as you can see in vid. Usually emission related and in most cases an incorrectly closed fuel cap.

The light is actually on in the whole vid.(can see at the start).
We had a Honda that flashed its check engine light if cornered hard or even accelerated hard.

Vid is 2003, a lot has changed in 15 years.

I believe by most reports the latest gen LRs are very reliable and the majority of owners(not all) are happy with them including many on this forum. The recalls thess days are mostly infotainment related (Iremember seeing info on this regarding being main "reliability" issue in China) Even that seems to be less of an issue now.

JDPower shows 221 issues per 100 vehicles in US & 142 issues per 100 vehicles in the UK

From what i understand that is 2.2 recalls or issues per vehicle over last 12 months after 3 years of ownership since new in the US and 1.4 in the UK after 3 years. I don't know about you but that is a massive improvement on my RRC's over the years, but they are always older.

Interesting also the difference between Landrover and Toyota in UK vs US.

Toyota Nameplate and Land Rover Nameplate in UK are very close.

Has anyone looked into the specifics of the data avail between issues and recalls of a 3 year old RRV, RRS or D5 vs LC200,NP, Gwagon etc.

We are not talking about LR vs Toyora, Nissan or Merc reliability which could include a prius, rather the specific models?

From what i can see of the data, the Nissan, Landrover, Landcruisers, Merc etc are not mentioned anywhere when you dig into the segment high performers.

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The 2019 UK Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from 11,530 owners of new vehicles
registered from November 2015 through January 2018. The study, which measures problems experienced
during the past 12 months by original owners of vehicles in the UK after 12-36 months of ownership, was
fielded from November 2018 through January 2019.

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The[US] study, now in its 30th year, measures the number of problems experienced per 100 vehicles (PP100) during the past 12 months by original owners of three-year-old model-year vehicles. The 2019 study measures problems in model year 2016 vehicles. A lower score reflects higher quality, and the study covers 177 specific problems grouped into eight major vehicle categories.

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