Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by scarry

Exactly,well said.

One of your recent posts is a very good example,short,sweet,and onto the facts.Fine.Nothing wrong with that at all.

Those types of posts are what this site is about.

This is a public forum,people have their opinions and views.

What i don't think people on here want to see is continual, long winded, ongoing posts criticising and 'bashing' other brands.

Its not what this place is about.

A lil history lesson, dissing land rovers one too many times will get a response, especially when not factual.

Originally Posted by scarry

At least the 76 will be extremely reliable,unlike the last run of Defenders.......

Now i gotta find a rock to hide under

Unfortunately,you don't have to look far on here to find issue after issue

Originally Posted by blackrangie

It's funny the Toyota reliability marketing, they don't put this in the ads


As most know, the track massively(4inches!) different front to back


Uncomfortable and restrictive leafs that hang under rear axle housing.


Fix both above $10k


Alternator that fails on nearly every decent offroad trip(Last a few weeks in mines) $3k fix to watercooled


Starter in valley fails if you get water into bonnet vent as it doesn't drain out and starter dies. No fix I've heard and very very hard to get to.



no auto option, trucklike manual* high rpm @ 110kph auto fix but good conv $20k



fake snorkel factory let's water in, safari 4inch fix


bad handbrake, Nissan patrol Mark's 4x4 fix.


Injectors are very susceptible to dirt and water, need high quality pre filter.



Basically fundamentally badly engineered driveline leaves you fighting two different ruts on beach and unstable rear on hills, fundamental parts of engine are unreliable due to location of Alt and starter and fuel setup, snorkel that is meant for water crossing causes engine failure if not fixed. Handbrake can cause death.


They lift front wheels like crazy on steep hills especially when loaded and gets even worse with 79 traybacks that get heavy canopy added by most.


Injectors can leave you stranded in the outback.


Most above fixable but you must add all that onto the purchase price if you want to use it offroad properly. Above is already around 35-40k.


Real price new is 100k if you want to address some of the issues, thats before you start the real mods that everyone does to them to try and keep up with the landies in the ruff stuff ha.


125k easy with mods.


In Gwagon commercial territory now.


Now defenders have their problems too, but I don't remember them being anywhere near as long or as fundamentally bad as the above.


Or for 100k you could get a good LR shop to build a very reliable big lap capable low k 2015/2016 defender with all the fruit.


For 125k you would have a dream Defender,Disco, Rangie with LS3/6L80 or your choice of desiel/auto, Ford 9 rear and all the fruit.


Just my take on reality, don't mean to offend, just what I've heard from others and mechsnics that work on them, maybe Toyota has fixed some of the above, however they are certainly not a step up from a built defender if real 4x4 and touring is what your into imo.

Originally Posted by scarry

I am not bashing everything JLR Defender,current and unreleased.That is completely incorrect.

I am not going to go around in circles,again.

Many know the well documented issues with the last model.Finished.

Other brands of vehicles have issues as well.Finished.

You said you got the point. Finished, then you go back to calling it "other brand bashing", hence not getting the point and starting again.

If you bring up other brands as being better when they are not, i and others will "defend" its a LR forum

A LR forum is not the place to say continual negative things about defenders and almost zero positive about anything JLR, whether you have one in your sig or not. Its a place for people to connect, help each other and discuss what is to come in a generally positive light.


Veebs is spot on and sometimes you need long winded posts for people to provide facts for others to get the point, without facts its just opinion.

Originally Posted by veebs

I thought that was blackrangie's point? Addressing the standard issue, Australian rose coloured glasses when dealing with anything Toyota?

I do agree with your later posts though - there is no perfect vehicle. I'm perfectly happy with my D4 because it suits my (our) use. Obviously, it doesn't suit other people, just as a 76 series won't adorn my driveway any time soon.

I am excited at the prospect of the new defender being what looks like (or intended to look like) the spiritual successor to the D4. I do feel for the true old-school Defender owners - I've been there. When the D5 came out, my heart broke too.

I love that there are other brands on the trail and have mates with toyotas, nissans rangers, tritons, navaras and respect them all and treat them like their car is on par or better than mine, but if one of them talks rubbish about my car and never says anything nice about it and that thiers is the only reliable car out thier etc, they are guna get some facts and they are probably not my mate .

Originally Posted by Shoogs

New Land Rover Defender won't be a retro re-make

This thread was put up to discuss the new defender, lets get back on topic guys, myself included in a cival and respectful way. Many of us put a lot of effort into this thread on keeping all updated on the latest news and pictures, lets keep it up, as far as I can see its one of the best and most watched threads in the world for new defender info. Way to go guys!

Originally Posted by blackrangie

This thread was put up to discuss the new defender, lets get back on topic guys, myself included in a cival and respectful way. Many of us put a lot of effort into this thread on keeping all updated on the latest news and pictures, lets keep it up, as far as I can see its one of the best and most watched threads in the world for new defender info. Way to go guys!

Yes this is the type posts we want to see.


As for the other above it,i am not going to go around in circles again..

That is the type of post that is done to death,and not needed,and not wanted on this site.

More than likely,if they continue,they might actually start to disappear.

Originally Posted by Zeros

The results clearly state that the dark blue coloured car was 3 degrees hotter inside than the white car. I suggest that a black car would be another degree hotter.

RACQ's point was that the difference of 3.1c was insignificant - both as a % and from the point of view of a child or pet locked in a car.

Originally Posted by scarry

Yes this is the type posts we want to see.


As for the other above it,i am not going to go around in circles again..

That is the type of post that is done to death,and not needed,and not wanted on this site.

More than likely,if they continue,they might actually start to disappear.

Its entirely your choice if those type of posts continue

Originally Posted by Arapiles

RACQ's point was that the difference of 3.1c was insignificant - both as a % and from the point of view of a child or pet locked in a car.

So basically its a non issue then. A few degrees is something but the temp difference is nowhere as much as what people think, ill cancel the white wrap I was going to add to the roof then

Gday All,

There has been several reports to the mod team of late about the direction this thread is headed. As a simple suggestion , maybe get back to the topic of the new Defender and some factual info about it , leave the maybe's , could be's , wanna be's , and the brand bashing to more relevant threads, and if there isn't a thread on those topics , then maybe there is the simple reason of, most on the forum don't care for that type of conversation.

Its a good thread with some helpful insights , don't make the mod team take action to change that.

Enjoy the topic

Cheers Ean

Ean, but is it not the same as almost every thread on Aulro? They all seem to go off on a tangent.