Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Yeah spoke to engineer they go off what the specific tyre size is listed as in the tyre and rim manual, this sizes we are talking about are not listed. Also some manufacturers even quote different rolling diameters for their products to the manuals.
There is also allowances for tread wear.
4mm would be unreasonable to pick up, however its a known grey area.

Yep they will end up in the manuals as the more common sizes are there. But absent a manual its just a straight maths calc of 65% (if that's the profile) of nominal cross sectional width 265mm or whatever versus the same exercise with stock nominal figures and they can ping you with that.

Cheers

Here is the Qld govt news release

Originally Posted by ozscott

So non ESC non soft roaders can go up 150mm and ESC equipped 75mm...that's pretty funny because I understand a number of the last Puma Defenders had ESC...

150mm is just a guide, some engineers will go outside if they can prove it safe.

Yep that's my understanding too. Still for 99% of people these lift limits for non-engineered set ups are more than is required. Cheers

Originally Posted by blackrangie

150mm is just a guide, some engineers will go outside if they can prove it safe.

Yep, with Engineering approval, almost anything’s possible. These guidelines are generally for un engineered DIY mods.

Few updates and links from the latest articles, spyshots and spyvids.

Thought it would be easier to keep all the quotes and info from JLR (and assumptions based on these) regarding the new defender in one place so we can keep updating easily. If you want a quote or info added or even think something should be removed, pm me or say so.

Will keep updating this when time permits.


ENGINES


Jaguar Land Rover insists the Defender will need a "balanced engine portfolio" in order to succeed in all global markets.


JLR has also said it will launch a three-cylinder Ingenium engine that will be used in a future plug-in hybrid version of the Range Rover Evoque compact SUV. JLR is also expected to announce a diesel straight-six Ingenium engine to replace a Ford-sourced V-6 unit.


JLR currently buys V-6 and V-8 gasoline engines from Ford’s Bridgend plant but has said it will end the agreement in 2020. Ford has no other customers for the engines and has said it will cut jobs at the factory as it concentrates on its own four-cylinder engines at the plant. JLR will stop purchasing V-6 diesel engines this year from Ford’s engine plant in Dagenham, London.


New 2020 Land Rover Defender: latest details and spy shots | Auto Express


JLR are on record as saying all of their models will be electrified by 2020, and also that MLA is the platform that will be phased in from around this time, so it is logical to assume that the new defender will be on the MLA platform which will have mild hybrid hybrid and fully electric options.

Multiple exhausts, twin one side exit and dual left and right seperate exits.

Multiple brake and wheel combos show different powered engines.

Dual fuel flaps (in snow and moab testing) and hybrid pilot stickers in moab vid confirm a 110 hybrid of some kind.


BODY STYLES


JLR have released the general outline of the new defender as part of a investor presentation

"The Defender has up to ten different body styles from soft top to Utility Wagon to Double Cab Pick Up allowing you to ride around Delray Beach in the Defender that’s best for you and your driving needs."

2020 Land Rover Defender: What We Know | Land Rover Palm Beach

Land Rover's chief marketing officer Felix Bräutigam told Auto Express: "One of the exciting things for us is that we are not launching a car, we are launching a family of cars."

design boss Gerry McGovern has hinted that a performance SVR version of the forthcoming 4x4 could also be on the cards. Such a car would be developed by Jaguar Land Rover’s newly formed Special Vehicle Operations (SVO) division, and would allow the brand to tap into demand in Russia and China for powerful and luxurious rugged off-roaders, currently dominated by the Mercedes-AMG G 63.

It's also likely that a hardcore Defender SVX will join the range at some stage and we could even see a luxurious SVA version in line with the Range Rover SVAutobiography.


New 2020 Land Rover Defender spied testing at the Nurburgring | Auto Express

Rear wheel carier.

Full side swinging rear door

Round head lights.

Small square red rear lights on each side.

Left and right defender style vents

Panoramic glass roof option (as seen on nurburgring tester)

Boxy body style

Sloping front roof matching current defender (as seen on latest nurburgring tester)

Some or all pilots seem to have both left and right fuel flaps on for electric point.

Rear solid recovery point, front middle recovery point and bash plate.


INTERIOR


JLR are on record saying that the leaked images are older pre-production photos however by saying this it is logical to assume that the general layout and seating will be very similar.

2 dealers from 2 different people on this thread have confirmed leaked images of dash including middle seat are general layout.

Latest tech, info screen, digital binacle, multifunction steering wheel

Heads up display

Middle seat.

Moab spy video shows very similar steering wheel to leaked interior.


SUSPENSION


As can be seen on the pilots will have long travel air bag suspension with a coil version option.. one of the original Range Rover Sport mules was spotted with coils.

TYRES AND WHEELS

Multiple wheel and tyre sizes seen on mules, moab testers running on 255 / 60 R20 (32 inch tyre) 34inch looks possible with little to no mods


CAPABILITY


Departure (approx50deg) ramp over and approach (approx 45deg) angles can be ascertained from the new Defender photos.

As part of an investor presentation they showed that the defender will be durable, practical, functional and have offroad expertise.

JLR executive Dr Ralf Speth told Carbuyer that the design and engineering of the new model is all but finalised, and promised that the new model will be “even more capable” than the previous Defender when the terrain gets challenging.

Clearly confident as to the new Defender's abilities, he went on to reveal: “I have driven test mules already… and also tried the car against competitors, in on and off-road environments. It’s sensational.”

Moab testers told spyvideo recorder that they are impressed with the defender there.



RELEASE DATE


JLR US are on record saying released 2019, available 2020, refundable preorders now.
JLRA are on record saying released later this year, available to customers early 2020.

Refundable preorders/build slots are avail now.

GENERAL JLR ON RECORD COMMENTS


The Land Rover Lineup: Land Rover will have three branches to their model lineup: the luxury Range Rover branch, the versatile Discovery branch, and the Defender branch, which aims to offer the “world’s most capable off-road vehicles.”

2019 Chicago Auto Show Recap | The Largest Auto Show in North America

Speaking from the 2018 Paris Motor Show, Jaguar Land Rover's chief marketing officer Felix Bräutigam said: "The new Defender will not simply be a copy-cat, something retro. It will be something that moves the game on for Land Rover."

JLR executive Dr Ralf Speth informed us that early development mules were undergoing testing by bosses back in 2017.

Rather excitingly, the JLR boss assured us that the new car will be “even more capable” than the outgoing Defender when the terrain gets challenging.

Teasing further, he said: “I have driven test mules already… and also tried the car against competitors, in on and off-road environments. It’s sensational.” He would not put a timeframe on when the new Land Rover Defender would debut but he did say: “It is coming. We are working an authentic successor of the predecessor.”

New 2020 Land Rover Defender: latest details and spy shots | Auto Express

Gerry McGovern said: “The Defender is all about durability – that indestructible, durable vehicle which is what a family of Defenders would be.”

Gerry Mcgoveern recently said, "release is imminent"

Revolutionary design


ASSUMTIONS BASED ON FACTS ABOVE


Safe onroad on/offroad

Very Capable on/offroad

Comfortable on/offroad

Will be durable and will hopefully reasonably reliable comsidering its focus.


Low to high power engines petrol, diesel, electric, hybrid (multiple exhaust, brake and wheel pilots combos seen)

Auto with 9 or 10 gears

900mm or more wading ( let's face it the defender will have the same or more capability on then the Discovery or Range Rover

6 seat 110 based on leaked interior shot and 2 dealer confirmations.

8 seat 130 possible.

WILL EVERYONE LIKE IT?

JLR says some diehard fans expecting a carbon copy will may not.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/Djhffg6ZeFQ

https://youtu.be/4LbAkubihR0

https://youtu.be/-mB9Uw_hpUw

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Originally Posted by Red90

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Nice find mate, its posted above but all g, proof of Hybrid 110 for first time . He also admits at the time he didnt realize the first Defender (at rear) is a 90 with rear wheel carrier and second later on is a 110 without RWC. In the vid he refers to them as the same car with the RWC removed, however he has now stated they are two and first was diesel.

Im guessing in USA to test a hybrid pilot it has to be stated as such so hence why we didnt see that on the Winter pilot testing vid.

Glad to finally see solid recovery points, was worried the ring testing soft ones were it.

Pretty excited after seeing this vid myself!
Like his comments towards to the end also regarding testers impressions of it at Moab.