Won’t be retro...

**SBD4** · 7th July 2019, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by goingbush

so is this the system your all raving about.

Live axles and Difflocks will do this without any revving or wheel-spin whatsoever.

So, you saw my post in the D3/D4 Vidoes section then

No doubt you are referring to the test with one front only with traction, yep, that seemed a little slow to take up the slack but this is probably a 9 year old vehicle based on the light configuration so, traction control has come a looong way since then. While the addition of a front diff lock (not standard) solves that in the defender, it's got a new problem trying to negotiate that hard left just around the way. There are pluses and minus to be found in both approaches.

The best of both worlds is the ediff which allows varying degrees of lock. IMHO These should be standard in all (modern)LR vehicles as, aside from make the vehicle more effective, it lets the vehicle do things more easily (less stress on braking components).

As an aside, in the real world you only need very gentle use of the accelerator when traction control is "looking" for traction. It's nothing like what you see with ute brigade with their front wheel up in the air revving the crap out of their engines to get traction control to bite only to snap the CV when the wheel touches down.

While a lot of the defender ilk are of the opinion that these modern LRs are a simple point and shoot no skill required sort of vehicle, I think they'd be surprised to learn that all the same driving principles apply just with some new skills learned along the way on how to manage the traction control.

Many people in this thread (both sides) have been all about rubbishing one approach while exalting the other, one is worthy while the other is not etc. etc. We should all be way past that and acknowledge that there are different ways to achieve the same goals albeit with pluses and minuses to each along the way whichever way you prefer to hang.

**rick130** · 7th July 2019, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

And humble too

Whilst i'd love to agree with you this part of your statement is not 100% correct imo

If your spring rate is wrong, you have no ability to drive safely or 4wd with your payload.

Without air there is always going to be a compromise unless your always carrying a similar load all the time.

I know this i have been trying different coils for years to find nirvana for around town and fully loaded upgraded gvm Camping trips.

For this reason, trucks, buses and some load carrying mining equipment use air.

I agree about chassis strength and brakes needing to be up to the job as PART of the capacity equation. Just look at the patrols cracking and the fixes needed.

I can't see spring rate, travel, brakes or chassis strength being an issue with the new defender, it will no doubt be adaptable safely from 1kg load to approx 1000kg load from the factory.

Time will tell how it fares with full payload at 80kph through the desert.

I think we are both right, just coming at it from different parts of the equation, then again i could be 100% wrong

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Which takes us back to the desert payload test as above in my last post, which do you think would last the longest before breaking and why?

You can jam 1000lb/in springs in the back of a Hyundai Excel but that doesn't make it a commercial vehicle.

Just like putting stiffer springs in the back of any car doesn't instantly mean you can carry more load if the chassis and brakes aren't up to it.
Engineer the chassis, have the appropriate driveline and gearing and then use the appropriate spring rate for the maximum design load but just pumping up bags and then say it can carry 1300kg as the old 130 could is BS.

**roverrescue** · 7th July 2019, 04:11 PM

I do not rubbish the new (old now isn’t it really) tech vehicles. They are what they are.

I just rubbish the opinion that anything we have seen thus far of the LR2020 could be considered workhorse / working vehicle.

It is another lux SUV with all the bells and whistles and price tag to match. Which is totally fine by me -
Just don’t call that defender!!!

S

**rick130** · 7th July 2019, 04:18 PM

FWIW, if you put an ATB or clutch plate type LSD on a roller like that without TC they'll just spin away and go no where.

You can pre-load the clutches and use very aggressive ramps on a Salisbury type LSD (not to be confused with (the 8HA Salisbury diff) to pretty much lock them but you almost have no differential action, they are more akin to a CIG locker at that stage.

**ozscott** · 7th July 2019, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by roverrescue

I do not rubbish the new (old now isn’t it really) tech vehicles. They are what they are.

I just rubbish the opinion that anything we have seen thus far of the LR2020 could be considered workhorse / working vehicle.

It is another lux SUV with all the bells and whistles and price tag to match. Which is totally fine by me -
Just don’t call that defender!!!

S

To some extent I agree it's not a Defender because vehicles are moving away from live axle and chassis (and the new one probably won't leak

). But LR can call it what they want. A new version of the old one with stronger and reliable drivetrain would not sell in sufficient numbers. For a start very few people want front beam axles these days. Anyway it's just yelling into the wind because it's called Defender and if I buy one I will happily say I drive a New Defender but won't be revelling in the name Defender per se.

Cheers

**roverrescue** · 7th July 2019, 04:30 PM

Yup Scott
They can do what they want
I’m sure I’ll get over it eventually

It will be interesting to see what comes of Ute variants and when they may be available

**rick130** · 7th July 2019, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by roverrescue

Yup Scott
They can do what they want
I’m sure I’ll get over it eventually

It will be interesting to see what comes of Ute variants and when they may be available

Steve I reckon we can put money on them being lifestyle utes and not a commercial vehicle, more akin to a Ranger Raptor, something to throw the Mountain Bike or Surf Ski on/in, not a load of firewood.

**SimmAus** · 7th July 2019, 05:00 PM

So, at post 4.1k....will it or won’t it be retro.

**irondoc** · 7th July 2019, 05:04 PM

Want me to summarise the thread again?

**Homestar** · 7th July 2019, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by SimmAus

So, at post 4.1k....will it or won’t it be retro.

Won’t. Not sure if anything else has come up. 😉

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