2020 Defender - Current Defender / Series Owners Thoughts...

Great to see that there is yet another thread on the alleged new Defender......

What do we really know so far ?
Nothing firm just a couple of 'spy' shots of a mule.

As an existing owner I wouldn't buy a new one as a daily driver, mainly because of Land Rover service costs.
I do 40-45,000Km per year and run my own vehicle. I need something that doesn't cost the Earth to run or service over a 5 year period. I have a Defender plus a few Series vehicles for 'fun.

Land Rover will have done their market research and will have a market segment that they are aiming the sales at. They need volume not another high cost (to produce) low volume vehicle.
As already mentioned, maybe they should drop the Defender name.

The idea of it being based on the Disco 4 makes sense, a lot exists all they need to do is make a SWB version. Hopefully they keep the TDV6 motor.

Colin

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Originally Posted by gromit

Great to see that there is yet another thread on the alleged new Defender......

What do we really know so far ?
Nothing firm just a couple of 'spy' shots of a mule.

As an existing owner I wouldn't buy a new one as a daily driver, mainly because of Land Rover service costs.
I do 40-45,000Km per year and run my own vehicle. I need something that doesn't cost the Earth to run or service over a 5 year period. I have a Defender plus a few Series vehicles for 'fun.

Land Rover will have done their market research and will have a market segment that they are aiming the sales at. They need volume not another high cost (to produce) low volume vehicle.
As already mentioned, maybe they should drop the Defender name.

The idea of it being based on the Disco 4 makes sense, a lot exists all they need to do is make a SWB version. Hopefully they keep the TDV6 motor.

Colin

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Haha..the threads just keep coming [emoji1787] The only thing that is based on the Discovery 4 with the new defender from what we have seen on the won't be retro thread is the fake bonnet and the fake roofline and the fake rear window paneling it is intentional designed to deceive and imo look like a D4.

The 110 and 90 dont look like 7 seaters either, rather 6.

It will be on a completely different platform, the MLA, it will most likely have straight six ingenium petrol and diesel engines with confirmed hybrid as an option as seen in the MOAB video on wont be retro.. if the leaked internal photos are to be believed it will have a third front seat and a rugged utilitarian floor and a modern but utilitarian Dash.

Also has huge flares as standard and 32 inch tyres with 6-7 inches of tyre confirmed.

Better warm up your waving hand, ill be waving at you [emoji41]

Interesting BlackRange
I just went from wiki for numbers which said
Annual worldwide sales of D4 and now D5 has hovered around 35-40,000

Maybe the wijipaedia numbers are wrong but I can’t see them selling more than double the number of discoveries

You say JLR have sold 500k units
Maybe since the 1960s ?

There were only 1.1million sales in Australia 2018 and you say half of them were JLR

By 2021 worldwide they will have sold 30,000 “new defenders” and at no stage will they sell 100,000

Total sales Australia by brand 2018

Toyota 217,061 18.8%

Mazda 111,280 9.7%

Hyundai 94,187 8.2%

Mitsubishi 84,944 7.4%

Ford 69,081 6.0%

Holden 60,751 5.3%

Kia 58,815 5.1%

Nissan 57,699 5.0%

Volkswagen 56,620 4.9%

Honda 51,525 4.5%


Do the maths - JLR didn’t even make top ten and sold less than 50,000 total units

I think my numbers are right

And I’m certain the 2020chicksdefender will be no hilux killer
More hiluxes sold last year in Australia than all the luxo JLR SUV combined
The 2020 defender will be a byline on the sales statistics
Less than a rounding error!!!

Which means they probably should have actually made a proper work ute.
If your only selling 50,000 units worldwide anyways
May as well make them different to every other SUVbomb on the road

A

I am not vouching for these figures as 100% accurate but hey you gotta
Start somewhere

• Land Rover global sales by model 2013-2018 | Statistic

Since 2013 the only LR model to crack 100,000 units in a year is the evoque
And disco sport.

So I’ll pay you this the new defender may worldwide sell 100,000 units
But if my guess is right and it is priced at above D5 levels it won’t

And I Australia it will be a blip on the radar

S

With a bit of digging
2018 global Hilux sales
548,000 units

Ain’t not gonna be a hilux killer as purported early on

S

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Haha..the threads just keep coming [emoji1787] The only thing that is based on the Discovery 4 with the new defender from what we have seen on the won't be retro thread is the fake bonnet and the fake roofline and the fake rear window paneling it is intentional designed to deceive and imo look like a D4.

The 110 and 90 dont look like 7 seaters either, rather 6.

It will be on a completely different platform, the MLA, it will most likely have straight six ingenium petrol and diesel engines with confirmed hybrid as an option as seen in the MOAB video on wont be retro.. if the leaked internal photos are to be believed it will have a third front seat and a rugged utilitarian floor and a modern but utilitarian Dash.

Also has huge flares as standard and 32 inch tyres with 6-7 inches of tyre confirmed.

Better warm up your waving hand, ill be waving at you [emoji41]

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It'll be interesting to see how much of what you have stated is actually true.

Still not interested personally partly because of the Land Rover service charges, one of my boys was working at a dealership so I know that they charge about 3 times what I am paying on my daily driver. I'd need to get a paper round as well as my 9-5 job then there is the initial purchase price.....I'll stick with what I've got.

So it sounds like you are definitely buying one ?


Colin

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Originally Posted by gromit

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So it sounds like you are definitely buying one ?


Colin

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Easy choice with the colour,they only come in black and white[bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by gromit

It'll be interesting to see how much of what you have stated is actually true.

Still not interested personally partly because of the Land Rover service charges, one of my boys was working at a dealership so I know that they charge about 3 times what I am paying on my daily driver. I'd need to get a paper round as well as my 9-5 job then there is the initial purchase price.....I'll stick with what I've got.

So it sounds like you are definitely buying one ?


Colin

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Hey matey, yeah not trying to be right, just trying to help, don't mind if I'm wrong and no doubt i will be on some.

Nothings definite with buying, its just looking that way based on the evidence ive seen to date. Preorders are refundable [emoji6]

Much of what I and others have put down in "wont be retro" is not opinion, its rather based on facts, happy to be shown otherwise and will remove, its for the LR community not myself. Bit of a hobby to help pass the time whilst we wait for the New Defender.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Easy choice with the colour,they only come in black and white[bigrolf]

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