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    Quote Originally Posted by DrytheRain View Post
    The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

    I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

    The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

    Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

    I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...
    Mate - you're really funny. You should consider a stand-up career. If you don't like it then go buy the Jimny. I for one can't wait.

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    I think this is a classic case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. Just because someone is critical of the look doesn't mean it's a personal attack on those that do like it.

    Cheers

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    For me, the looks are way down the importance list. As long as it had all the other attributes, it could look like a Stavic and I would still be interested. ... I guess I am a function over form sort of person. I really don't care if they call it a Defender or Rednefer, actually if they gave it a shorter name, it would be easier to wash around the raised letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    I think this is a classic case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder. Just because someone is critical of the look doesn't mean it's a personal attack on those that do like it.

    Cheers
    I don't think anyone was attacking anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrytheRain View Post
    The specs are great, but now seeing it in full, from various angles and in actual colours, it’s a solid nope from me.

    I just cannot get my head around Land Rover’s design philosophy. They had one of, if not the most iconic car design of all time in their history and they choose to replace it with a fussy, contrived pastiche. Admittedly the silver one with the smaller wheels and heavier black trim over the arch flares looks better, but there are so many styling cues that just don’t work for me.

    The bonnet would have been so easy to solve, but they’ve chosen not to, the grille treatment seems almost wilfully awkward, the lower bumper with all that silver plastic trim looks too much like what manufacturers do to ‘toughen up’ the styling of crossovers. The black banding at the ends of the window pillars is straight off the new RAV4; no-one believes that the roof is ‘floating’ over glass. The proportions are very Hummer H3, with tall, slabby sides and a squat glasshouse. The C-pillar is cribbed from the FJ Cruiser and the tail lights, which I thought might look pretty cool, actually look terrible. What would have been wrong with placing those two larger ‘squircle’ tail lights toward the outer extremities of the rear quarters, much like the original Defenders? Then we wouldn’t need those black bands running down from the rear windows.

    Look at the green 90 with the steel wheels; if I’d known nothing about the new Defender and someone showed me that image and told me it was a new Dacia SUV, I doubt I’d have blinked.

    I took a look at the new Suzuki Jimny on Saturday and in my opinion, it’s more what the new Defender should be, just in 7/8ths scale. It still has its ladder frame and solid axles, but it has a retro-inspired, welded body that allows every square centimetre of interior volume to be utilised. It has a tough, stylish dash with tactile controls, the obligatory touchscreen sitting high in the centre, cool retro instruments, a nice steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake, decent seats and more front seat space than a Defender. The doors shut with a solid thud and it has simple niceties like a gas strut to hold the rear door open. It may not have scored five stars in the NCAP tests, but it’s pretty solid, it has airbags and some of the new active safety tech. The more I think about it, it’s more like a modern SI. Now if they’d just offer a lwb model...
    https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l660-defe...st2920316.html

    Pretty solid no, pre unwrapped mate Will be Retro

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    Think the Defender looks horrible ..... check this out.....

    2020 Patrol
    There is no eraser on the pencil of life.

    Now - Not a Land Rover (2018 Dmax)
    Was - 2008 D3 SE 4.0l V6
    Was - 2000 D2 TD5 with much fruit.

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregz View Post
    For me, the looks are way down the importance list. As long as it had all the other attributes, it could look like a Stavic and I would still be interested. ... I guess I am a function over form sort of person. I really don't care if they call it a Defender or Rednefer, actually if they gave it a shorter name, it would be easier to wash around the raised letters.
    ND? Will be RetroWill be Retro

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChookD2 View Post
    Think the Defender looks horrible ..... check this out.....

    2020 Patrol
    I'll take the Patrol !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChookD2 View Post
    Think the Defender looks horrible ..... check this out.....

    2020 Patrol
    If it has EAS,even just on the rear,it will steal a heap of sales from Toyota.

    Not enough pics to see what it really looks like.

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    Some of your reactions are priceless. God forbid someone should have a dissenting opinion!

    I get it; it had to be modern, but I think the design throws away too much of the essence of the original. Sure, the original wasn’t a sales success, but people love the look of them and what they represent; adventure, exploration and a sense of freedom to go anywhere. They just didn’t buy them, because they either didn’t fit in comfortably, they didn’t like how they drove or they thought the quality was sub-par. And I’m the first to admit that the originals aren’t terribly comfortable, they drive like a truck (an old one at that) and they build quality is laughable.

    I just think LR have made some questionable design choices and I, personally, don’t like them. When I saw the first picture of the bonnet-less model, I thought it was awful; like some kind of early ‘00s concept car. Then I saw the picture from the Bond set, I thought okay, maybe it’s not so bad. However, seeing it in finished and in colours, I can see that all the fussy detailing has made its way into the final design and I’m not a fan. The silver one pictured is actually a pretty nice looking modern SUV. It would have made a good Discovery 5 (horrible tail lights aside), but to me it just doesn’t fit the image of a Defender.

    As for the Jimny comments, I knew that would draw
    some flak, but I’m simply making the comparison because I think its designers have done a great job of translating the essence of the historic models into a more modern design. They’ve kept it simple, functional and unpretentious. Isn’t that what a Defender should be about?

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