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  1. 13th September 2019, 03:18 PM #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzaTD5 View Post
    argh... the uninformed BS is rolling now.
    its not designed to do, its a city vehicle, bluh bluh.
    A few weeks ago at a BBQ (yes I try to avoid people on a social level) some **** was new to the mining sector up north so he had all these years of experience in stories to tell. He stated the 79 series Cruiser was not as good as the older ones, "its more of a city vehicle".

    I felt the need to correct him in stating, the 79 had more power torque, was lower geared, disc brakes on the rear, better all round and he was a dickhead.

    Of course I wouldnt call any AULRO member a dickhead

    DONT WORRY IF YOU DONT LIKE THE NEW DEFENDER, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OLD ONES LEFT (they just arent as good)
    Hang on....

    Are you saying that if we don't WANT to buy the New Defender, we don't have to?

    We can own /drive another car instead, even an old Defender if we like?

    This information has me shook!

    Everyone needs to be told this, so they can stop worrying about all the flaws in the new one and simply drive the older more superior ones they already have if so desired.
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  2. 13th September 2019, 03:19 PM #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzaTD5 View Post
    "However the new Defender hasn't been designed for anything more than being an upper middle class [ high income earner] plaything"

    I'm amazed at wild statements such as this, I'm guessing its based on..

    *Factory recovery points that no previous Defender had.
    *Approach, departure, ground clearance, gearing, equal or better than previous Defenders.
    *Larger capacity fuel tank than previous Defenders.
    *Centre front row seat option that was dropped in previous model Defenders.
    *Deeper fording depth than previous Defenders.
    *Better traction control than previous Defenders.

    I'm sure there will be many more things the new Defender will do far better than the old model.
    It might even be reliable and put together properly.

    But dont hold your breathe
    It’s also a lot safer.
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  3. 13th September 2019, 03:23 PM #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post

    so they can stop worrying about all the flaws in the new one
    Well in general Defender owners have never worried about the flaws in the old one, so why start worrying now
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzaTD5 View Post
    Well in general Defender owners have never worried about the flaws in the old one, so why start worrying now
    Sorry to be a party pooper, but you misspelled "flaws" , it should be spelled "floors" , and you don't have to worry about them in the old one as they are aluminum and can easily be hosed out.
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  5. 13th September 2019, 06:02 PM #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by DazzaTD5 View Post



    DONT WORRY IF YOU DONT LIKE THE NEW DEFENDER, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OLD ONES LEFT (they just arent as good)
    And now they have just increased in price , by how much remains to be seen. How many of these new SUV's will be seen in Africa, apart from Cape town. I'm betting Australian corrugations will sort out the 85 ECU's and the 20,000 bits/second , reasonably quickly. And good luck maintaining them yourself. BTW, how many of these new SUV's will be working in the mines? Sorry to be negative, but I think a Mahindra, with upgraded suspension, would be as good off road as this 21st century marvel.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking
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  6. 13th September 2019, 09:45 PM #66
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    I own an old Defender so I know what they can do. BTW no problems with the airbags in the back of mine in bush driving.
    I think the new Defender has moved the debate forwards and will be just fine on 18s and good tyres.
    It's called progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carjunkieanon View Post
    I'm a die-hard old school Defender tragic (and prefer the Series tbh) but...for putting my family in and expecting my wife to drive, I bought a D2.

    I expected to HATE the new Defender but...looks flipping awesome.

    To all the people complaining that it won't be as good off-road, or as tough as the old one - have you not read what LR put it through in testing??

    I'm part way through watching this 2 hour video.
    YouTube

    Lots of lovely old LR's to enjoy. Up to the bit where he muses on the future of the Wrangler and G-Wagon and if there was any point in LR making the new Defender anything like them. He's already pondered the wisdom (and pitfalls) of either keeping or retiring the Defender name.

    Would I buy a new Defender if I could afford it? Absolutely...if our experience with the D2's hadn't somewhat soured my wife towards the brand.
    Great video. Ha.f way through and enjoying. Also with you. Almost got the wife on board to lock in one
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  8. 14th September 2019, 03:00 AM #68
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    What I should say is in our area we have been Land Rover die hards for ever. I can honestly say on our farm we had land rovers going for ever till now. Still got the last one - Chugga- going. And of course mine as my daily driver.
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    Just a Land Rover badge on an FJ Cruiser
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    And now they have just increased in price , by how much remains to be seen. How many of these new SUV's will be seen in Africa, apart from Cape town. I'm betting Australian corrugations will sort out the 85 ECU's and the 20,000 bits/second , reasonably quickly. And good luck maintaining them yourself. BTW, how many of these new SUV's will be working in the mines? Sorry to be negative, but I think a Mahindra, with upgraded suspension, would be as good off road as this 21st century marvel.
    From everything I've read the ECUs are the most reliable part of the D3/4. The old ones had issues with dead brake lights causing cascading faults, the brake light switch is a known weak point (FoMoCo part) and the handbrakes have issues if not serviced. Its the mechanical stuff wearing out, and usually due to poor maintenance.

    Oh Yeah some diesels decide they dont like their oil pump or crank. Oh and some HP fuel pumps take a wee on the exhaust manifolds and start a fire.

    But the electrics seem to be pretty robust.

    I am aware some of the range rovers and D5s have had issues with the ICE electronics not working properly, but thats not a show stopper when travelling.

    Corrugations can break any vehicle. From what ive seen the air suspended Discoveries and FFRR deal with them better than most any other vehicle.
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