Thread: The New Defender: Diesel vs Petrol

EU standards/requirements find their way here too.

Take a look at the Disco .. the D240 engine recently (circa 2018 model) had a drop in torque from 500 to 430, which also applies to any new ones sold from that point onward .. When challenging the dealer as to why the drop .. "emission laws" was the reply.
I nearly got one last year, now I'm in line for a L663.


We (ozzies), still buy diesels but we will always feel the effect of Euro standards.

Originally Posted by scarry

Thats why its a real difficult decision to buy a vehicle today or in the next couple of years.

Petrol,diesel,or wait for plug in hybrid?

Or keep what you have and see what happens?

Could make a huge difference to resale say in 5 to 10 yrs.

Im also torn about this, i think people will be trading in every 2-3 years until things settle down.
Imo a good 6 petrol or diesel hybrid is the go long term until a hydrogen v8 becomes avail .

BMW Hydrogen 7 - Wikipedia

Do we know what engines LR are using with for thier plug in hybrids bring released next year?

Originally Posted by Rob66

EU standards/requirements find their way here too.

Take a look at the Disco .. the D240 engine recently (circa 2018 model) had a drop in torque from 500 to 430, which also applies to any new ones sold from that point onward .. When challenging the dealer as to why the drop .. "emission laws" was the reply.
I nearly got one last year, now I'm in line for a L663.


We (ozzies), still buy diesels but we will always feel the effect of Euro standards.

What engine are you going for, for me the d240 in the D5 didn't excite me enough, but was for sure sufficent power.

Originally Posted by Rob66

EU standards/requirements find their way here too.

Take a look at the Disco .. the D240 engine recently (circa 2018 model) had a drop in torque from 500 to 430, which also applies to any new ones sold from that point onward .. When challenging the dealer as to why the drop .. "emission laws" was the reply.
I nearly got one last year, now I'm in line for a L663.


We (ozzies), still buy diesels but we will always feel the effect of Euro standards.

I wonder if thats actually the truth?
Maybe there were reliability concerns,Euro 6 hasn't yet changed,has it,for Europe?

I also can't find many that 'tune',the D240,the ones that do only get a small increase in figures.Maybe it is highly 'tuned' in stock form.
But the velar models did get around 500nm out of it stock.

I feel your pain,Blackie,engine choice is very difficult decision,the diesel ATM,is a let down,particularly if towing or people are used to the current TDV6.
My D4 is tuned,and even an extra 60nm or so can certainly be noticed.Huge difference from stock,and very little lag.
But if a larger diesel does arrive,i bet there is a huge premium to pay over the D240.

Engine choice has actually put me off the vehicle ATM,we are in no rush ,so can wait.Need to look at it as well,before purchase.

And as many will say,Diesel is going,but is it in AUS?

In 10 yrs time,when they will supposedly be difficult to buy,a good second hand one could be worth a bit of coin,particularly to people that tow huge loads,and a petrol or Hybrid,or EV doesn't suit them for whatever reason.
Diesel fuel will definitely be around for a very long time.

I don’t mind the idea of Hydrogen as a fuel for vehicles. What I do mind is that nearly all of the hydrogen produced for industry and motor vehicles currently comes from the gasification of coal so is NOT a clean fuel as yet. We will just have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by scarry

I wonder if thats actually the truth?
Maybe there were reliability concerns,Euro 6 hasn't yet changed,has it,for Europe?

I also can't find many that 'tune',the D240,the ones that do only get a small increase in figures.Maybe it is highly 'tuned' in stock form.
But the velar models did get around 500nm out of it stock.

I feel your pain,Blackie,engine choice is very difficult decision,the diesel ATM,is a let down,particularly if towing or people are used to the current TDV6.
My D4 is tuned,and even an extra 60nm or so can certainly be noticed.Huge difference from stock,and very little lag.
But if a larger diesel does arrive,i bet there is a huge premium to pay over the D240.

Engine choice has actually put me off the vehicle ATM,we are in no rush ,so can wait.Need to look at it as well,before purchase.

And as many will say,Diesel is going,but is it in AUS?

In 10 yrs time,when they will supposedly be difficult to buy,a good second hand one could be worth a bit of coin,particularly to people that tow huge loads,and a petrol or Hybrid,or EV doesn't suit them for whatever reason.
Diesel fuel will definitely be around for a very long time.

I don't think the straight 6 diesel will be a huge Premium, unless it's running all the mild-hybrid gear like the straight 6 petrol, which if it is will be fair enough imo.

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I don’t mind the idea of Hydrogen as a fuel for vehicles. What I do mind is that nearly all of the hydrogen produced for industry and motor vehicles currently comes from the gasification of coal so is NOT a clean fuel as yet. We will just have to wait and see.

There are clean ways to produce it but it's more expensive, also the emissions of just water out of the pipe are a huge positive.

Unfortunately at the moment, a LOT more expensive. You also have to put more energy in than you get out as well with current techniques. A bit more work needs to be done for it to be commercially viable for the long term. I’m hoping they get their act together sooner rather than later. We need more clean energy alternatives.