Thread: Land Rover is dead... Long live land rover!

I think it's quite bazaar that we have all this talk about a vehicle that nobody has driven. With due respect to all those that love their Defenders, it should have been discontinued in the last century. What the Defender does show though, is that there are a lot of people that buy stuff using their heart, not their head. Just look at some of the prices that people are asking for them. Some a hell of a lot more than the apparent pricing on the new Defender when it comes out.
I personally chose a Discovery (1, 2, 3 then 5) as I believe it's a lot more capable than a Defender, more comfortable and certainly safer. For what I do anyway, which is touring and towing. I am looking forward to the new Defender as I'm hoping that it will be just as good as the current Discovery, if not better, yet more practical.

Originally Posted by akovach

I think it's quite bazaar that we have all this talk about a vehicle that nobody has driven. With due respect to all those that love their Defenders, it should have been discontinued in the last century. What the Defender does show though, is that there are a lot of people that buy stuff using their heart, not their head. Just look at some of the prices that people are asking for them. Some a hell of a lot more than the apparent pricing on the new Defender when it comes out.
I personally chose a Discovery (1, 2, 3 then 5) as I believe it's a lot more capable than a Defender, more comfortable and certainly safer. For what I do anyway, which is touring and towing. I am looking forward to the new Defender as I'm hoping that it will be just as good as the current Discovery, if not better, yet more practical.

Hit the nail on the head, It will be the perfect vehicle if your a Discovery Owner.
If it had been named the Discovery 5 (or 6) everyone including me would be happy.

Im not in the Discovery market so its a moot argument, but c'mon you have to admit you had more fun in Mugsy than any of these newfangled Discovery things.

Originally Posted by goingbush

Hit the nail on the head, It will be the perfect vehicle if your a Discovery Owner.
If it had been named the Discovery 5 (or 6) everyone including me would be happy.

Im not in the Discovery market so its a moot argument, but c'mon you have to admit you had more fun in Mugsy than any of these newfangled Discovery things.

Haha. We did have a lot of fun. But if you remember, we spent a lot of time and money on trying to get them to go better, faster and quieter. When the Discovery came out, basically the factory had done the job for us. And they did a better job. I struggle to understand why some people are upset that JLR have brought the Defender into this century.

Originally Posted by akovach

Haha. We did have a lot of fun. But if you remember, we spent a lot of time and money on trying to get them to go better, faster and quieter. When the Discovery came out, basically the factory had done the job for us. And they did a better job. I struggle to understand why some people are upset that JLR have brought the Defender into this century.

JLR themselves started retroactively calling the 1948 80" a Defender , when we all know the Defender name really started soon after the Discovery 1 was introduced. They can't have it both ways. They have not bought the Defender into this century, its an entirely new vehicle, it might as well be made in another factory, in another country as far as its heritage is concerned , ..... oh wait.

I suppose its the same as the FJ Cruiser is to a FJ40 - only the wheel stud pattern is the same. Not even that with LandRover.

Anyway I'll leave it at that.

Originally Posted by goingbush

J, it might as well be made in another factory, in another country as far as its heritage is concerned , ..... oh wait. .

bugger the heritage from where it is made perspective, lets hope the build quality is far better in Slovakia than "Barry from Bromsgrove" can knock together
in his Brummie shed, and as a pom i mean that quite literally.. the delivery standard of my current Sport was dire.. took nearly a week to get it fixed at the
dealers before i could take delivery

Originally Posted by akovach

I struggle to understand why some people are upset that JLR have brought the Defender into this century.

I think it's the use of the Defender name on what is a modern vehicle.

They had to update it because of design rules, the manufacturing cost of the old design and to be able to sell to a 2020 buyer. I mean without ApplePlay etc. it can hardly be termed a car can it ?

The fact that they refer to the first Land Rover as a Defender is odd. Do they not know their own heritage or is it just 'marketing' ?

It started off as 'The' Land Rover.
Then followed by the Land Rover Series II, IIa and III (and Stage I)
When they changed to 90" & 110" and coils it became the County.
Some 10 years later it became the Defender.

The name has changed over the years so why use the Defender name on the very latest product which has little in common with its predecessor ? I guess they are trying to cash in on the 'heritage' of the brand.

I'm not in their target market but it will be interesting to stand on the sidelines and see how it sells in the current market here and overseas. I don't think you'll have people trying to restore them in 40 odd years time but we'll probably all be running electric vehicles long before then !


QUOTE=zilch;2955118]bugger the heritage from where it is made perspective, lets hope the build quality is far better in Slovakia than "Barry from Bromsgrove" can knock together
in his Brummie shed, and as a pom i mean that quite literally.. the delivery standard of my current Sport was dire.. took nearly a week to get it fixed at the
dealers before i could take delivery[/QUOTE]

I did Google labour in Slovakia thinking it might be lower cost but it seems that the workforce is skilled and labour costs there are rising.
The quality control comes down to Land Rover themselves so hopefully they recruit new staff and don't re-located any QC staff from the UK !


Colin

Originally Posted by goingbush

Hit the nail on the head, It will be the perfect vehicle if your a Discovery Owner.

Not really.

If anyone is going to go from a D3/4,they are going to have to learn to put up with a rear load area that’s a lot smaller than what they have now.And a tiny Diesel engine.

In fact,looking at the new 110 specs the load area behind the second row seats is similar to a D1.

The 130 can’t come quick enough,and no doubt at quite an increase of cost over the 110.

In fact,looking at D5 costs,if a larger diesel does turn up in the new Defender it’s going cost something like $10K more than the current spec diesel models,and will be quite an expensive vehicle,even in stock SE trim,no other boxes ticked.

I went from a 110 to a D1 and now also have a D3. The difference in what a 110 or D3 can carry vs a D1 is huge. That’s a lot of space to lose if you want to go touring. From experience, you have to get very creative, space-wise touring in a D1. If I ever decide to buy a new Defender I will wait until all 3 types are available before making a choice.