The New Defender

Birmabright? That would really be olde school [smilebigeye] Check out you local Spitfire/Lancaster scrap yard.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Classic Defenders are full of steel in recent times.
Steel is hardly a problem. You don’t see much rust in 20yr old steel 4wds used for purpose.

Electrolysis gets most Defenders - just look at the numbers with rotted out door frames and bulkheads.

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You do I’m places where things rust. Steel bodied vehicles are all completely gone by 20 years. Defenders last much much better.

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Originally Posted by Red90

You do I’m places where things rust. Steel bodied vehicles are all completely gone by 20 years. Defenders last much much better.

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Honestly in this day age how many of us actually keep a vehicle for 20 years or 500,000kms?

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Honestly in this day age how many of us actually keep a vehicle for 20 years or 500,000kms?

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Most of the people on these forums. New cars are crap.

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Originally Posted by Red90

Most of the people on these forums. New cars are crap.

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If by crap you mean better constructed, smoother, more powerful, more frugal, safer, more capable, more comfortable then yes, they are crap.

If you mean the rivet counters - who spend significant time restoring and maintaining their vehicle as a hobby then yes - new ones are crap - because they just get on with it and work.

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Originally Posted by Red90

You do I’m places where things rust. Steel bodied vehicles are all completely gone by 20 years. Defenders last much much better.

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Really?! Plenty of 20+ year old vehicles rolling around here in perfect body condition.

“Defenders” have corrosion issues in under a couple of years in frames, firewall, capping (in Defender derivatives). I’ve seen it in all of them including the ones we own.

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Originally Posted by Red90

Most of the people on these forums. New cars are crap.

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Most of us? Really?

You know what else is crap, my smart phone, airplanes, air bags, medicine and anything else that has evolved over time....

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Honestly in this day age how many of us actually keep a vehicle for 20 years or 500,000kms?

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It's a shame though. This day and age sees a rapidly growing population in the billions that's throwing their **** away when it gets dull and replacing it with new **** that's shiny cool but essentially serves the same purpose.

If you buy a good car you can keep it for 20 years / 500k, so why not? It should be encouraged.

The real defenders can easily have panels/chassis/engine/transmission repaired or replaced. It's a modular platform that you can maintain and run for life - it would seem.

I am tempted by the new defender (130 hybrid if ever released). But it will be hard to justify. Its twinkling and I want one, but as it stands - I don't need one.

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Originally Posted by manic

It's a shame though. This day and age sees a rapidly growing population in the billions that's throwing their **** away when it gets dull and replacing it with new **** that's shiny cool but essentially serves the same purpose.

If you buy a good car you can keep it for 20 years / 500k, so why not? It should be encouraged.

The real defenders can easily have panels/chassis/engine/transmission repaired or replaced. It's a modular platform that you can maintain and run for life - it would seem.

I am tempted by the new defender (130 hybrid if ever released). But it will be hard to justify. Its twinkling and I want one, but as it stands - I don't need one.

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I don't get it I'm sorry. Are you assuming I throw my vehcile in the bin after 5 years? Cause I don't! I sell it to someone who pays a good % less than I did at purchase time.
Have you not upgraded your home at some stage either by moving into a new one or renovating?
Have you not upgraded your phone or are you still using a can and string?
Have you not upgraded anything?

It's not about wastage as a result of upgrading, as used items sell in the used market.

In the meanwhile I can afford to buy a nice new vehicle every time a lease is up so I simply pass my used vehcile to someone that either does not want or cannot afford to buy new. Simple, recycling really

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Originally Posted by 1nando

I don't get it I'm sorry.

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Justify it however you want. I'm not judging. Just saying, if we all kept cars longer from day one, a **** load less would have been manufactured. Fact. And yes I know how it works in the REAL world. Just a shame is all.

FYI : my smartphone has been replaced almost every year. Sometimes I loose it. But most times it just breaks. They are certainly not built to last.