Thread: The New Defender

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I'm not really clued up on the D5 specs, but does the entry level D5 come as the 4WD version or is it the AWD version without low range? If it is the AWD version, how much does the upgrade to 4WD cost?

On the weekend, QLD dealer told me JLR have dropped the AWD version from D5 lineup, and all MY19 D5s have dual range and D240 diesel.

Edit: just confirmed entry D5 has coils and not EAS. So that’s a significant difference.

Base model Disco needs the 2 speed transfer as an added option .. I can't find how much difference that adds.
But an anomaly I noticed(only small, but still there!) .. the dealer delivery calculator I used for the Disco SD4 S model showed $3000 dealer delivery(as opposed to BR's $4000 for the defender!).

Also! on BR's quote, they also add GST to the $4000 dealer delivery charge, whereas using the drive away calculator they say $3000 dealer del incl GST.

From LR website(for Vic)

• Discovery 19MY SD4 S VIC
  
  
• Manufacturer's List Price
  including GST
  $70,884.08(64440+6444)
  
  
• Recommended Dealer Delivery
  including GST
  $3,000.00
  
  
• Luxury Car Tax (LCT)
  $1,907.72
  
• Registration
  $872.80
  
• Stamp Duty
  $3,941.60
  
• Approximate Drive Away Price
  Base model featured only.
  
  $80,606.20
  

So base model D240 D5 = about $1K more, but no 2 speed transfer.

And as already mentioned elsewhere .. probably not selling, so they're trying to throw them out with the old bathwater!

Defer will probably have a bit of extra cache attached to it .. will have the 'looks' for the wannabees too .. so may sell in slightly higher numbers for a short while .. why discount if it sells.
If it doesn't sell .. then expect price drops, almost certainly to below D5 levels.

If LR can get the new Defer confirmed as a fuel efficient vehicle(7l/100 or less combined) .. LCT won't apply for another $5(ish)K .. so a couple more options to save on LCT.
Could the D200 use that little fuel?
D240 D5 is listed as 7.5/7.6 lt/100 with the D240 .. so may come close if they tweaked the Defer right.

Originally Posted by AK83

Base model Disco needs the 2 speed transfer as an added option .. I can't find how much difference that adds.
But an anomaly I noticed(only small, but still there!) .. the dealer delivery calculator I used for the Disco SD4 S model showed $3000 dealer delivery(as opposed to BR's $4000 for the defender!).

Also! on BR's quote, they also add GST to the $4000 dealer delivery charge, whereas using the drive away calculator they say $3000 dealer del incl GST.



So base model D240 D5 = about $1K more, but no 2 speed transfer.

And as already mentioned elsewhere .. probably not selling, so they're trying to throw them out with the old bathwater!

Defer will probably have a bit of extra cache attached to it .. will have the 'looks' for the wannabees too .. so may sell in slightly higher numbers for a short while .. why discount if it sells.
If it doesn't sell .. then expect price drops, almost certainly to below D5 levels.

If LR can get the new Defer confirmed as a fuel efficient vehicle(7l/100 or less combined) .. LCT won't apply for another $5(ish)K .. so a couple more options to save on LCT.
Could the D200 use that little fuel?
D240 D5 is listed as 7.5/7.6 lt/100 with the D240 .. so may come close if they tweaked the Defer right.

Nice work, I'm guessing the hybrid released next year will be pretty low on fuel.

Originally Posted by scarry

LR probably think there is more 'demand' for the 2020 Defender,completely new,a bit of a niche market ATM,so many will pay a premium.

Lets hope the demand continues and grows.

Where the D5 is a bit same,same,that is similar to the rest of the line up,a luxury SUV.

IMHO,Discovery may go the same way as the old Defender,depending on sales in the next few years.

The new Defender won't help it either,as it will take some,maybe many of its sales.

Usually luxury 4x4's cost more than real 4x4's.

...Is this the start of a new trend, whereby real off-road ability and rugged hose out design costs more than SUV bling?

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I wonder if it would take much to make the 110 a two door. Coupled with the commercial variant that might make a decent overlander.

Hope the commercial 110 will be available as a 2 door

Some MHEV pics, obviously this is not production, rather stripped back for photos i imagine, you can see cables hanging down etc.

I believe that's DCDC conv on right, bat on left.

Looks quite low so, still underfloor storage but maybe not as much on 110.

Challenge with drawer systems will be to access that space, maybe a hatch accessed from middle of car with fridge forward, I would put seldom used spares etc there. Thougts?

Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I wonder if it would take much to make the 110 a two door. Coupled with the commercial variant that might make a decent overlander.

S'funny, I often wondered about that with my D1 3 door & lo & behold they brought out a 3 door Commercial.

There was a stack of space once the rear seats were down so it wouldn't have been too difficult to build a flat floor in the back as well as install a Cargo Barrier behind the front seats.

Side Windows? Remove the glass & panel them in with Satin finish Stainless.

Then one could take their tradie vehicle anywhere.

Maybe I was before my time.

BR

The battery and controls certainly do look set down deep there
The blue box is more likely charge control, only two leads going to the grey box at right so unlikely to be DC-DC

Do you have info on the system at all

I would just assume that if the MHEV has integrated generator/ starter battery and a hairdryer supercharger and the battery is 48V they would just run all that blue cabling at 48V

Then the only voltage change is a small step down DC -DC to get to nominal 12V for the standard control systems to work ?



I like how compact that transfer case is
I wonder if it has been designed to have an electric motor bolted right up to the face for future EV models