Thread: The New Defender

Originally Posted by SPROVER

From my point of view you weren't bagging landrover just pointing out what the majority of people think about Toyota and landrover in general. And then BR provided us with a table of facts on how bad Landrover still are when it comes to other manufacturers

Although your probably taking the mickey, its an Interesting interpretation of the facts provided and actually the facts show quite the opposite, happy to be shown factually how I'm wrong in response to my post.

Ill put it simply for you, the UK is a similar selling market to ours as far as Land Rover and other major 4x4 sellers for example (Yota), the facts show there is about as much difference as identical twins between the two as far as dependability goes, which is incredible considering LR is pretty much 4x4 only, making reliability much harder to achieve then companies that mostly make 2wd.

That's me on the subject here ive posted the original post up in general to respect mods wishes to keep on subject and for a reference point as it does annoy me some people think we are living in P38 groundhog days.

Originally Posted by scarry

Go for the petrol 110,and tick a couple of boxes,and you are well and truely in D5 territory.

That thermo fan reminds me of the one in the VN/VP dunny dore,it was huge as well.

Looking at all these 110 pics,which are great,it sort of looks smallish.Maybe i am completely wrong,i know we can look at specs,but it seems sort of smallish.No one on here has actually seen one in the flesh,so it will be really interesting when someone does.

As for brand bashing,i was thinking everyone has lately been very civil,and respectful, about each others comments and thoughts,which is good to see.Some are just pointing out facts.

All discussion somewhere near on topic is healthy for everyone.

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I've seen one in the flesh .. went to Frankfurt for the motor show..
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.. it is a decent sized car .. every bit as big in the "flesh" as you'd want it to be. Up close it has a real presence. I love it

JEEZUZ Robbo,

You must have really bounced off someone's Trabant to finish up in someone's front garden like that.

Originally Posted by roverrescue

Apology accepted Sean
I can only assume your frustrated shut down was some impression that I was off-track.

Ask anyone close to me- my blood runs green but that does not give LR a free pass.
I desperately wanted the New Defender to save the company like the Discovery1 did.

Leverage the engineering and smarts of top spec - special vehicles that most people can’t afford and release something slightly lower spec but still amazing compared to the market.

By releasing just another Luxo SUV LR have shot themselves into oblivion. And that makes me sad.

Just think back to 1989. If the D1 was priced at just below Range Rover Prices
Would JLR exist today?
Now fast forward 20 years

Of course I knew the defender of old was not going to be reproduced BUT I did hope for the release of a utilitarian work vehicle that was priced well below the luxo offerings of JLR to maintain the company into the future.

I’m supremely disappointed they have not released a Ute which to the majority of fanbois who are replacing their D3/4 is not a problem BUT what about those that still want a LR but now have a choice of 13 different luxury wagons.

This is not about the price of the thing
As Nandi said it is about the value of it.

Anyway, I’ll tap out now I’m getting frustrated at a company that doesn’t care about my custom
To a bunch of people who think I’m bonkers

I’ll eagerly await the 14 page thread discussing the best paint care regime for the new defender.

Steve

Absolutely spot on bloke it's straight up disappointing the ute market is massive and every manufacture is trying to get a slice of the pie and so many of them are ordanry off road and on it I think they really could have done well in this market

Top 3 selling cars in the US, Australia, and South Africa are all Utes. In Asia, dual cab Utes are #1 and 2, and in South America a dual cab Ute is the 3rd top selling car. Europe seems to be the exception to the rule.

Whilst JRL has left this market to focus on the growing SUV market, I would imagine Tata must have other ideas.

The new Defender is spot on for its intended market. Just left a big hole waiting to be filled.

Originally Posted by Rob66

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I've seen one in the flesh .. went to Frankfurt for the motor show..
Rob-1.jpgRob-2.jpg
.. it is a decent sized car .. every bit as big in the "flesh" as you'd want it to be. Up close it has a real presence. I love it

Awesome Rob, love to get more detail on what you saw and more pics if you have.
Would have been a fantastic experience frankfurt.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

The new Defender is spot on for its intended market. Just left a big hole waiting to be filled.

Agree, pulling production of the defender has left a hole. A replacement has not been provided.

The D5 and P110 side by side look like his and her options. Both around the same price . One looks tougher than the other, but what can one do that the other can't? Even the D5 has a commercial spec .

At this point it seems to me that they have offered the D4 market two new options and completely abandoned the Defender/ute market.

The P90 and P130 are interesting variants. If they can price the 90 low enough for the childless and add some kind of Ute chop up on the 130 - they could carve out some new sales there.

Here is an idea for blazing into a new market: Full EV P90, commercial spec, that can hold 400km of range even when towing 2 ton around the local service area. Could be a nimble little tradie vehicle! Although getting the price down would be key to success.

Looking forward to see where they take the new variants. Hopefully the 130 doesn't present like a range rover LSE - simply stretched for more leg room!

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Awesome Rob, love to get more detail on what you saw and more pics if you have.
Would have been a fantastic experience frankfurt.

Happy to put up some pix .. 2 questions:
1, can I upload more than one at a time?
2, mine seem to be thumbnail sized - how do you load full size?