Thread: Disco 4 vs new Defender comparison

Originally Posted by PerthDisco

Absolutely why you would change this loved feature it only cheapens the car beyond the complexity cost saving of this beautiful and well sorted design not then reflected in the new car price! Lose lose

The old defender didn't have one either, so not technically a change.

That said I agree it would have been a nice feature - I do love the tailgate on my D4.

Originally Posted by AlexRS4

There are a massive amount fewer deaths and injuries on today's roads as a direct result of vastly improved vehicle (and tyre) design.

And much better roads,better lighting,etc.

So many love the tailgate set up,as we do,its fantastic.

They could have maybe made it an option,but no that would be too hard,and the spare would have to go somewhere.

Both the Classic 737 and the Defender are capable at what they do. Unfortunately time moves on. L.R chose to scrap the old Defender and bring something new from the drawingboard. I don't think the new Defender should be called that as it isn't. It's a different vehicle entirely.
Dare I say it , if Boeing had drawn a line under the 737 and brought out a new airframe they would have retained relevance and quite possibly beaten Airbus and not entered the quagmire that the Max has become.

Originally Posted by AlexRS4

There are a massive amount fewer deaths and injuries on today's roads as a direct result of vastly improved vehicle (and tyre) design.

True... but also if people were made to really learn how to drive and handle a car all sorts of road conditions, then that too would go towards limiting the road deaths as well...

It's always going to be a personal thing but I know which vehicle I prefer at this stage of my life... and its not one that needs to have all the bells and whistles that u see in most modern cars of today... - There's something in that old saying K.I.S.S.

Maybe when I old and less "flexible/mobile", then yes I can see myself moving towards something more comfortable...

Originally Posted by AlexRS4

As many boxes isn't all boxes. Remote area travel is a niche market, the number of customers who actually buy new cars AND do that kind of travel are very few.

A car costs $1-2B to develop. You need hundreds of thousands of sales to make that up. Many regulations like crash worthiness, economy and emissions prevent

All that said - the new defender has the best capability outside a 70 series in a new car, at least on paper. Better approach angles, wading height, true tow capacity and payload (including roof payload) than a 200 series. And frankly Toyota have been taking the **** with the 200 series for a long time, the car is appalling in the quality of the interior, driving dynamics and design for what they charge for it. A LC200 Sahara is worse inside than a corolla is and miles worse to drive and live with - this is why we all drive Land Rovers right?

The biggest issue with using a new defender for remote area travel is nothing to do with the design, it's 2 things: ease of fixing on the fly which is very difficult with all modern vehicles, and parts availability.

Your concern about buying first off the line can be said of any vehicle and is a perceived quality concern (which may or may not be accurate - only time will tell).

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Re the tailgate...I love it..reminds me of Holdens I owned years ago..slamming that hatch give a weird retro pleasure and makes people look around curiously🤤

But my shortish wife don't..she finds it hard to shut...it's often open afterwards😞

So I guess LR went to one peice design plus self closing because surveys told them so...its stylish and silent..just like an Audi or Merc..fits in well in Fitzroy ☺

Originally Posted by PerthDisco

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If i was in the mkt for a LC..that's the one I'd buy..a petty..I've seen them absolutely thrashed off road and they just take it..well up to a point..something usually gives up eventually!

See the RR or Bentley in the next bay? Wonder if its an R turbo. A neighbour had one ex Pratt family..massive Garrett turbo set up. He took us for a ride and clocked 160kph on country dirt road 🤤...and the ride was freakish. No noise..no rattles..smooth as and silent even at that speed. The electro hydraulic syspension (i think) was amazing and engine power was astounding for such a huge car. He said the mags were special castings and showed us a receipt for one replacement by the Pratts costing more than a small sedan. Amazing car.