Thread: The Great LPG Swindle

I believe you have been royally screwed by the system, now the problem is you need to fight that system which is very hard indeed, especially if you have no money so you need to focus on other things. From what you say you have pretty much jotted every tittle with regards to law so I think your biggest prob now is getting past people who make the decisions and dont like you.

thanks F4Phantom
luckily behind the facade of LPGAustralia lies centrelink. ultimately they are working by public service rules and equally should offer standards of service comparable with a government department. if i were fighting a private company i would have given up long ago but because i have identified multiple flaws with documentation, poor client handling and quite deliberate obfuscation i can keep pressing my point until someone eventually sees sense. money is not an issue here as i can freely access politicians and the ombudsman without any cost to myself other than my time in filling in all the forms and writing the letters. i'm also quite prepared to be disliked.
the other thing i have on my side is knowing that i have acted in good faith at all times and have only sought to do exactly what the original intention of the legislators was. namely, embracing behaviour change. its the biggest buzz phrase of the environmental movement.
by pure coincidence an aquaintance is meeting with penny wong, the minister for climate change soon. hopefully she will be made aware of the difficulties faced by individuals in stopping racketeers plundering all the rewards government is prepared to offer us to make these fundamental changes.

Who can be bothered.
Installers are there to do a specific job, that has been by-passed.

I understand how you feel the need to do a spectacular job to install a lpg system to a standard no other person is capable of. In a car that will probably not comply to emmission controls in 5 years.

You seem incedibly well spoken, read or educated. Spend that time and energy on finding a new carreer path or job that will pay for the in-justice from the LPG experience and GET OVER IT.

Next time, save some money and take it to a reputable installer and be happy.

Like the rest of us.

Seriously, are you the Gordon Ramsay of LPG????

Move on, learn from it and be happy for the time above ground!!!!

Originally Posted by big guy

Who can be bothered.
Installers are there to do a specific job, that has been by-passed.

I understand how you feel the need to do a spectacular job to install a lpg system to a standard no other person is capable of. In a car that will probably not comply to emmission controls in 5 years.

You seem incedibly well spoken, read or educated. Spend that time and energy on finding a new carreer path or job that will pay for the in-justice from the LPG experience and GET OVER IT.

Next time, save some money and take it to a reputable installer and be happy.

Like the rest of us.

Seriously, are you the Gordon Ramsay of LPG????

Move on, learn from it and be happy for the time above ground!!!!

Installers have been bypassed? Someone had to do the job, does an installer have special qualifications in areas other than an where installer did work? from what has been mentioned I dont think so.

I dont have a problem with people saving money by doing things themselves.

Originally Posted by pomonastik

"Conversions using second hand LPG units are eligible to apply" and "If you do the LPG conversion yourself......."
these references have now gone.

I know this is coming late and really it has no relevance at all to me. At least you guys are offered a rebate on LPG conversions. But...

Maybe I'm wrong here but wouldn't this be to stop people from double dipping? You know, you buy a unit and get a rebate on its installation, you "sell" the unit to your mate and he gets a rebate, then on to the next vehicle,...

Or, you just install the same system into a succession of vehicles, claiming rebates each time. Using an installer.

Or, you install a system that has previously received a rebate from a vehicle installation into another vehicle, the donor vehicle is a wrecker, and you claim another rebate.

Alan

it is interesting how the internet strips people of their identity.
i left the (british) school system in 1979 aged 16 so i am definitely NOT well educated nor well spoken but i have always read a lot.
obviously the industry in south australia is better served than over here in victoria. waiting lists for installations are typically several months. my initial need to 'jump the queue' was based on my particular job needs in that i am returning to regular work next monday manning a fire tower in the middle of a forest. i will need my vehicle every single day for the next 5-6 months. if i hadn't made this conversion happen by now it would not have happened this year at all and i would have continued to pump premium unleaded fumes into said pristine forest for yet another season.
there is nothing 'spectacular' about my installation although my vehicle does becomes my lifeline should the red steer decide to visit my neck of the woods again and for that reason alone i must personally ensure it will not fail me. if it does and i'm burnt to a crisp then i will only have myself to blame. consequently i have to adopt a certain independence from others but at the same time i feel justified in insisting on getting justice from the system so many others are happy to screw to the nth degree. there is no double dipping going on, at least at my end. in fact i'd go so far as to say the reverse is true......i could have quite legally claimed unemployment benefit during the winter, less of course any earnings i could glean. sadly the casual work i used to do servicing italian supercars has dried up in direct correlation to the descent of the stock market index. the only trouble with trickle down economics is when there is a drought there is no flow.
as to the emissions question, its a non starter here in vic as we don't have mandatory emissions testing. besides which the fact i'm now using lpg negates the question anyway. in the wider scope too, the longer i use my 20yr old range rover the less demand there is to build new vehicles, a process which creates far more undesirable emissions than i could ever hope to even if i continued to use it for a further 20 years on petrol.
as to being happy above ground, i think i can safely say that's the one thing i am indeed an expert in. as of monday i will be enjoying a view that you couldn't buy for love nor money up amongst the wedgetails and i'll be earning the princely sum of $22p/h. it's just a shame i'll spend the first 6 weeks or so effectively working for nix while i make up the 'lost' $2k !
all i have to do is spot that little tiny fire that could quite easily become the next ash wednesday and co-ordinate it's demise and i've saved you all millions of dollars in insured losses which you'd be paying for on your premiums.
all i want is a fair suck of the sauce bottle..........

Originally Posted by F4Phantom

Installers have been bypassed? Someone had to do the job, does an installer have special qualifications in areas other than an where installer did work? from what has been mentioned I dont think so.

I dont have a problem with people saving money by doing things themselves.

Yes .... The idea is to get everyone onto the Gas System

NOT Specifically for paying a installer .... But a reward & reimbursement for converting

mike 90 RR,
i understand you folks in WA get an additional rebate or grant. could you suggest a website that would contain details of this scheme just so i can compare the methodology used to determine entitlement ? i presume you guys pay more for parts etc due to transport costs etc.
....and thanks for your kind words of support through the thread.