Thread: fantastic stripdown of 300 series Landcruiser.

Originally Posted by Tins

Seen a LOT of LC 200s trailing smoke screens like a WWII warship. But then, my last Ford could manage that on startup, depending on the angle on which it was parked

I've seen a lot of 200's, especially with caravans on the back of flatbeds going through Coffs, its the most commonly towed holiday makers car i see.

Originally Posted by Vern

I've seen a lot of 200's, especially with caravans on the back of flatbeds going through Coffs, its the most commonly towed holiday makers car i see.

Same over here.

Originally Posted by Vern

I've seen a lot of 200's, especially with caravans on the back of flatbeds going through Coffs, its the most commonly towed holiday makers car i see.

Partially mitigated, of course, by them being also the most popular combination out there. But they DO break, contrary to the urban myth propagated by their adherents and the MSM.

This didn't help:



Lots of cars could have survived what TG did to this HiLux, but TG didn't do it to them.

Originally Posted by Vern

I've seen a lot of 200's, especially with caravans on the back of flatbeds going through Coffs, its the most commonly towed holiday makers car i see.

ANY 4WD will break down at times and NONE of them are indistructable and end up on flat tops, The usual causes are accidents, poor maintainance, Inexperience, Abuse or even simply neglect.
Given that there are many more 200 series Toyotas dragging bricks around the country than any other make/model it is not supprising to see them on a flat top once in a while.

I have owned many makes/models of 4WD's and the Only one I have had to have put on a flat top has been my D2a
Out of all the different breeds of 4WD's I have owned/driven over the last few decades i would consider that the Toyota and to some extent the Nissan products to be miles ahead as far as reliability goes even though they are not the most comfortable or luxurious as some of the other brands.

Maybe IF JLR was to go back to its roots and started to build tough reliable workhorse 4WD's again instead of the high tech showponies they are producing today we may start to see them also on flat tops occasionally because of their massive increase in the market share for towing bricks .

Originally Posted by trout1105

Maybe IF JLR was to go back to its roots and started to build tough reliable workhorse 4WD's again instead of the high tech showponies they are producing today we may start to see them also on flat tops occasionally because of their massive increase in the market share for towing bricks .

The local tilt tray guy here told me without European vehicle brands they wouldn’t have a business……


As for oil leaks every single LR I ever had,bought new,went for warranty work to repair an oil leak,with the Puma the worse by a country mile,followed by the D2’s.
Even the D4 had leaking power steering hoses,leaking oil from the fuel cooler that was located in the valley of the engine,and on it goes.EAS air leaks,well we won’t go there.
Still waiting for one of the Tojos we have to leak oil,and some of them have done huge mileage.

If you look at actual numbers of vehicles sold compared with number of issues,the Jap and Korean vehicles will have the least by a country mile,that is a very well documented fact.

Agree. It’s hard to quantify. There was a survey at one time that had usage of vehicles and showed the LR had a higher proportion by volume of offroad use than the others.

Compare this to any urban runabout. Any of these should be ok if the runs they do are long enough to get it warm and why Highway haulers generally are pretty good

Start really using any of them seriously, then see how you get on. Add bull dust and mud etc and any brand starts to show some wear.

Of the vehicles we see passing through here, very few do serious offroad - most are - as stated, just a tow engine.

Originally Posted by trout1105

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Maybe IF JLR was to go back to its roots and started to build tough reliable workhorse 4WD's again instead of the high tech showponies they are producing today we may start to see them also on flat tops occasionally because of their massive increase in the market share for towing bricks .

Sorry trout, but this doesn't make sense.
What you stated here is just the current situation for JLR(or LR throughout it's history).

Exactly how high tech were the series vehicles and original RRC back in the day?

it was the older series and RRC that created the myth that LRs all break down all the time or some rubbish like that.

Like you said, any 4WD will break down .. or more to the point wear out in some way over time. It's not simply a matter of maintenance. It has more to do with time/distance traveled.
The other element has got to do with what exactly has broken down, and why.

In opposition to your claim, none of my LR vehicles has ever had to be towed home(not just flatbedded).
I got my '79 RRC with 148K klms on it, and I parked it up for good with 660K klms on it.
When the centre diff blew itself to pieces tho, it didn't need to be towed to my mechanic(100klms away) .. it drove perfectly well up the sometimes steep climb to get there under it's own power.

Did it wear out .. of course it did. Just like every other vehicle will.

Never left me stranded.
Same with my current D1. Even tho I've mucked up a few service items, it never left me stranded in the 100K klms I've done in it, which is now currently at 430K+ klms.
I had a similar situation in my D1 as with my RRC .. so many years later. On a gentle drive one day, I got a bang out of the gearbox and rolled with no drive to a stop. TC had jumped out of high range. Once figured out, popped it back in and gingerly drive onwards, but .. now a monumental whine coming out of it. I knew it was a bearing, but which one and how precarious was it. No smoke, no loss of oil, just a spun or chewed bearing. As the D1 was my daily, and access to another vehicle at the time was not an option, I decided the best way to fix it was to get a changeover transfer case, preferably one with the sleeved layshaft mod. Drove D1 to a from work for a good two weeks 'hoping for the best' .. if it knackered itself .. didn't make a difference, my choice was to go with a changeover anyhow. So once the changeover arrangements were settled, I drove the D1 .. screaming transfer case and all, an nice easy 1100 klms to north of Sydney to be there first thing in the morning for the workshop to fit it for me same day.
After lunch it was good to go, and the drive home was the most serene drive I'd ever experienced.

Did it have issues? yes of course, just like any other brand of car will experience.
Did it get flat topped .. nope! .. it preferred to use use it's own power thanks!

Originally Posted by Tins

Partially mitigated, of course, by them being also the most popular combination out there. But they DO break, contrary to the urban myth propagated by their adherents and the MSM.

This didn't help:



Lots of cars could have survived what TG did to this HiLux, but TG didn't do it to them.

Surprisingly you don't see many more 200's around here than any other 4wd.