Sounds like one to stay away from unless very cheep and your prepared to give it lots of TLC
Gary
As all of us that own P38s think we need to upgrade to a newer RR i regularly keep an eye out for a replacement.
So today i inspected an 04 model with 175k on it.
Its beat up a bit body wise and the interior the description states that this is as to be expected for the age and milage.
My 38 is 9 years older and not as rough.
Under the hood the oil is like treacle and filthy and not much of it and is well down on the add oil mark????
Service book looks good apart from the last service which was nearly 15k ago.
New gear box fitted last year and a new turbo in 07.
Ingition key in and up pops check brake pads, Low coolant (which seemed fine by sight)
EAS is very slow to pump up.
Quite a few stuffed suspension bushes evident.
2 tires staked pretty bad in the side walls.
Rego out in 3 months.
This is at an auction house and i notice a lot of the bidders are from interstate and i would say have not seen this vehicle and it is over $30k.
More signs here of a very slack owner who just doesnt care too much for his ride.
Sounds like one to stay away from unless very cheep and your prepared to give it lots of TLC
Gary
I agree.....stay away from that one. Besides i've seen reasonably good ones for around 35k. Like the P38's, take your time and tread carefully.
In my situation at the moment, i'd trade to a later P38 some 2000 and up before going to the L322 unles a bargain comes along.![]()
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
Have been similarly " affected"
The depreciation alone on a $40k problematic high mileage L322 buys a heck of a lot of TLC and pro-active reliability for the existing P38.
In another life certain folk had considerable expertise in Logistics as it applied to "predicting" reliability/maintainability (R&M). It involved often replacing stuff that appeared quite serviceable although it was either time/and or hours " expired".
A recent episode caused me to call out the RACQ via NRMA for the first time in 38 years!! and cool my heels in Tea Gardens for 2 nights and 3 days...could have been worse...all over a shot regulator in the alternator ....a $35 plus postage part....n/a in Australia (of course). Truck is 12yrs old and shows 136K km on the clock (& BECM).
This got me thinking about applying R&M principles to the P38 and preparing a sched. for the next five years.
I'm in a quandary but am thinking about this because SWMBO has other jobs for me to do and this is much more fun...and practical.![]()
And likewise, I'll still keep and eye out for the elusive bargain diesel. low mileage L322 beautifully maintained, and being sold for sixpence by a divorcee wanting to upset her hubby even more... 'struth hope it's no-one from this forum![]()
Oh look, i'd love a L322. But going for cheap is the usual trap for buying a dud. I think at this stage 35k - 40k and above is playing save.
I think for me the latest L322 Rangie i'd be able to go is a 2005 model. Anything after that, i'd consider getting a Disco 3 or 4 due to the lack of off-road accessories on newer rangies. Unless Paul from Hard Range comes up with something new, i reckon it's curtains for Rangies. It's gone to far upmarket.
For the money of a L322 you can go "HRA whole hog" on a late model P38 (and put bucks away for a few years maintenance)...
I may have to eat my words one day, but why would you want to shift to an L322 when they are pretty well limited as anything more than a soft roader?
P.S., Don't be surprised if the HRA team end up playing with L322's, Andy has one already.
The following is only 50% of the official Hard Range "party line":
- P38's are the preferred weapon of choice
- P38's are the new "Classic"
- L322's are ok, but that is all
- L322 diesels, like Andy's, do not sound like a V8 no matter how much he plays with it
- Andy reckons his L322 accelerates better than my V8 P38's... maybe it does, but mine feel better
- Fuel economy is better in a L322 ? (somehow this matters to somebody who is hugging a tree?)
- A well sorted P38 is better value than a cheap L322
- P38 transmissions can be serviced
- L322 transmissions are "sealed for life"
- L322's are far more complicated to work on than a P38 for a home mechanic
- Pre-2005 L322's are "better to hack/diagnose" as they use the simpler BMW CAN-Bus rather than the more secure Ford/Jag system
For a few years I have loved the idea of a RRS but cannot bring myself to commit $50k+ to something I would be scared to take off-road for fear of scratching and/or damaging. I don't have that problem with a $10-20k P38 that I can comfortably fix most problems with the tools I carry.
Andy is well in to mods for the L322 already, and perhaps I will get in to the RRS later after the pimps, dealers and trophy wives have moved on to the Evoke
Beware D3 and D4's... they are very nice too but as complicated as L322's and RRS.
P38's rule ok... IMHO, a great balance between poise, purpose and practicality.
Cheers, Paul.
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