Thread: All p38 owners up to mid 1999 please read.

Arrived in the post, another job to add to the list. Looks like a great little kit.




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HSE30 - Firstly, thanks for bringing this issue up in the first place. I realise that your original thread is well-aged by now - it jogged my rather rusty memory with regards to internal memos - ones which were to NEVER to 'see the light-of-day', under potential dismissal order if they did...ain't there anymore though, am I
There's also a 'shelf-life' on the main ABS control-block (master cylinder & pump), of 10-years - including those sitting on parts departments shelves. Essentially, every single ABS pump/control block/master cylinder fitted to any/every Range Rover between (at least) 1995 and 1999 - the operational &/or shelf life is a maximum of 10-years All required rebuilding; whether used or not, & it also included those still sealed in their hermetically-sealed packs...PLEASE - DO NOT OVER-REACT!! This was an internal LRA-directive, originating from Sollihull - whom we all know also practiced (particularlyat the time I speak of) the '11th Commandment' wherever a problem might be considered 'widespread' ...personally did a lot of 'Goodwill' warranty repairs to LR's well-outside their warranty parameters, because of same - so no need for additional concern, I believe
Something that caused many, many headaches (ghost-in-the-machine-faults) with electrical faults in bothe RR's, Disco's & Defenders were ANTS sealed inside the relays - seald-in during the manufacturing process Don't know how widespread the problem was, but I know of quite a few fuel pumps, coil packs & instrument clusters got R&R'ed under warranty (then either didn't get through the road-test, or were back in a week, etc.), only to eventually be tracked to well-fried ant-bodies bridging relay-contacts intermittently, or not allowing circuit-close - take ya pick I spent 14 hours clocked-on to a WA RR with 'a fuel-pump intermittent fault' - the owner like to actually use his 4wd, so got on angles most Rangies never saw/see. It nearly drove me spare, & the warranty officer was nearly beside himself with "...how can I claim this many hours ?!?", & other statements containing words that ya don't hear on Walt Disney movies
...& then there was the 'permanent super-lockout' states, which entailed a very short, custom padded, insulated hacksaw blade - & even shorter blade strokes - & 0.75-hours per striker

Originally Posted by extech22089

HSE30 - Firstly, thanks for bringing this issue up in the first place. I realise that your original thread is well-aged by now - it jogged my rather rusty memory with regards to internal memos - ones which were to NEVER to 'see the light-of-day', under potential dismissal order if they did...ain't there anymore though, am I

etc etc

This is fascinating! Glad you survived... IIRC "Spy Catcher" also kept a low profile in Tasmania for years then told all!

Originally Posted by extech22089

There's also a 'shelf-life' on the main ABS control-block (master cylinder & pump), of 10-years - including those sitting on parts departments shelves.

I thought the shelf life was related to the accumulator (which a new ABS pump came with).


Everything else ABS related should be fine.

...if I can get this through, then I can reply

BY ALL THE GODZ - I CAN REPLY
Scouse - please refer to my long-winded response that I had to put in the 'Introductions' thread-thingy. I had 3-4 goes at responding to Your statement/query, but wasn't able to get past the log-in-watchdog (in spite of being logged-in, & with confirmation of same...dunno if I can get my response over to here where it should be - this is the first-time I've ever used an online-forum (does faecebook count anymore?) Yeah, I know what I mean ...dunno how to use the 'quote' thing on 'ere yet either, come to think of it...

Scouse - Try as hard as I might, I cannot get past the 'you have not logged-in, & you need to to reply' guard-dog on the P38A Rangie Thread. I've been sporadically trying to reply to Your post since last night, but it has been deemed highly-unlikely by the TECH-GODS at this time...technology & I have had a very chequered past, so I don't see how posting online would be any different - I'm good with hammers, & had a fine selection
...in response to Your reply - down deep in the vaults of obscurities that my memory has become, there lurks somethin' about a poor-selection of lubricant during manufacturers-assembly, combimed with a poor engineering &/or materiel decision...a situation similar to the one created with the R380 output-shaft & the LT230 input gear - a calamity of global proportions - one which saw myself putting through the 50-tonne press no-less than 120 gearboxes,& all under the gaze of the warranty-officer... poor bugger The accumulator was definitely an issue - from a shelf-life perspective - but it wasn't isolated to only it. Again, it was a poor selection of assembly &/or 'stand-by' lubricant that created issues in quite a few of the brake components...I wish that I could remember with more clarity & at will, unfortunately it no-longer works like that in my memory & I have to take what I get when I get it. Suffice to say, I would eye any brake component with mild suspicion from that era, especially if it's never seen the light-of-day.
LR did leap all over this & a lot of other issues as they arose, & to Their credit went well-beyond what almost any other major marque would consider reasonable. The biggest problem though, was the words "...upon owners' complaint..." - leaving the lions' share of onus on the shoulders of those who bought the vehicles to detect
I got to know only a handful of owners, & that was only because they had insisted that they talk to the tech who worked on their vehicle. Even rarer-still, the owner who insisted on the same tech EVERY time they presented with either a fault, or just for routine book-servicing...after some of the dodgey BS I saw (& had to try & fix afterwards) come down the runway, I'm surprised that there wasn't more 'personalisation' between dealerships, owners, service centres, & technicians (heh heh heh - loves dem fancy words for spanner-monkeys )
...my point being - 'intelligent-enough' to be able to afford these vehicles from new did not (& probably still doesn't) translate to 'trained/skilled-enough' to know the definitive difference between normal-operation & otherwise. When I swing-back to the original-opic (apologies for the digression, folks), the same still exists. Even Sollihull was unaware of this/these problems until the less-than-happy owners started to appear at service departments (sometimes with the Landy on a tilt-tow - they were in a cab). Many of those parts may have escaped an internal recall, particularly from smaller parts departments & distributors - just sayin'
Another example was that short elbow (?) hose on the drivers'-side - think it was part of the heating-bypass system (Discos, I think). Saw a few cooked V8's & the ZF4's bolted to 'em that were replaced under warranty - again under LR's Goodwill-Policy. As far as Rover was concerned, that hose shouldn't have failed within that time-frame, so they replaced the engine & transmission for the owner (who had cooked the lot because they tried to self-diagnose without stopping...those temp-senders don't usualyy take accurate readings off steam )
As I go, I know that I'll find issues with my RR-P38, but I expect to with a Euro-Spec luxury vehicle that's knockin' on the 20-years-old door. That's just a given, but I'll be checkin'-out these forums on this site, because this intel is PURE-GOLD in here...especially Safety-Issues like catastrophic-failure of braking systems

G'day.

Without reading back thru the whole thread, is one of these brake modification kit thingy's still available for me to purchase ?

I would like to fit one to our 98 HSE, The Bitch.

Don't like the idea of the brakes failing due to crap plastic parts.

Ta.