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    Td5 Sump gasket ..... why they can leak

    Hello all,

    I have an 03my td5 130 and when a ~4 years old I read about the failures that had occurred due to the oil pump bolt coming loose. Rather than have it happen to me I decided to check it and dropped the sump. I replaced the sump with an after market gasket carefully following the procedure as outlined in the manual.
    Last year, after many trips across the country, the sump started leaking in the rear nearside corner. I replaced the gasket with an aftermarket one, again carefully sealing as per the manual and ensuring the gasket was correctly aligned (one strand of cotton thread tied through a few sump holes makes this easier).
    The sump started leaking on the offside rear corner after only a few kilometers. Grrrrrrr ...... I bought a genuine gasket, dropped the sump and studied them!
    I'm guessing but it seems Land Rover have redesigned the mounting at the rear corners next to the bell housing and the corner most bolt goes through the gasket without the internal 'compression limiting' steel washer that is present at all the other mounting holes. There is however a redundant mounting hole in the corner of the gasket outboard of the corner bolt hole which does contain a steel washer embedded in the gasket rubber.
    By putting a caliper across both the genuine and aftermarket products it seems the steel washer in the 'redundant hole' was poorly aligned during manufacture; it was offset in both gaskets with thick rubber one side and steel protruding the other side such that the thickness was greater than the thickness across the raised sealing ribs of the gasket. This issue is demonstrated by the galling observed on the corners of the alloy sump where the steel washer has impressed itself in the sump.
    Before installing the latest gasket careful dressing of the gasket each side with a fine file so that the thickness of the erroneous corner washer was equal to the thickness of the thin part of the gasket ensured the raised ribs compressed and the sump now seals correctly, and I am back to a leak free machine, rare I know! Take care not to touch the raised sealing rib.
    I have searched and have not found another reference reporting this issue and wondered if others have seen this before but put it down to crank seal, oil cooler, gear box....etc leaks (oil spread along bottom of gear and transfer boxes to handbrake back plate) as was recommended to me by a Land Rover specialist!
    I've attached a couple of annotated pictures to clarify

    .......peter
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    Nice write up and very useful to the others in the community about to do the pump bolt fix...

    Well done

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    Hmm, so that's why my sump is leaking with a new gasket.
    Regards Philip A

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    I have 2x sumps 1x '99 & 1x 2003 in the garage I took photo's but they are identical to your pics.. so I haven't posted them up.

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    To add to this information I have included a photo showing how much the gasket can leak at these failure points and also to show the witness marks of the "redundant "washer on the block. Such leaks can make you believe you have a rear crank seal failure as the oil exits the bottom of the bell housing.

    I have also included the new procedure to torque up the rear bolts. This is Landrover's solution but I think the original poster's idea is the best. I would recommend sealant as per RAVE and along the rear of the seal and forwards about 5cm on both sides - just a 2mm bead only. Britpart seals do not fit BTW and the only one I ever tried went straight in the bin. Its genuine seals only here.

    There is also an anomaly on the genuine seal on the reverse side of the two rear locating dowels that fit into the sump- one has a raised perimeter whereas the other side does not. I dont know why?

    While the sump is off - dont only look to the oil pump bolt - also check the pressure relief plug. It is sometimes starting to wind out as there is sometimes no locktite applied to the threads(542 hydraulic thread locker or molytec equivalent). The last one I saw was already out 1/3 of its length. Not much more and there would be loss of oil pressure.
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    Hey peter, is that other bolt the number 7 in this pic?



    What tool is needed for it? Should I remove it and add thread locker? What's its torque setting?

    thanks

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    Has anyone tried installing the sump gasket as per Peter's new land rover advice above? I'd really hate to do that job for it to leak shortly after! Sounds like the poster's filing idea works but knowing me if stuff it up.

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    I would like to know this myself, I am determined to dry this motor up "if i live long enough that is" i suppose using Permatex aviation goo [big fan] is not recommended as an aid.

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    Number 7 in the diagram is correct. Clean it well and use locktite.
    My sump is still not leaking - genuine seal and used molybond grey.
    There is tech service bulliten with revised torque settings. I cant find it but is on the internet.
    1998 D1 in showroom condition, 1999 D2 TD5 with everything, 2000 P38 showroom condition.
    Freelander 2 2012
    1992 RRC sold and now pranged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fellipe View Post
    Hey peter, is that other bolt the number 7 in this pic?



    What tool is needed for it? Should I remove it and add thread locker? What's its torque setting?

    thanks

    25Nm on relief valve cap.
    Pete
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