Are these the best and cheapest Recovery Point ever designed????

Same military that I've personally seen ringbark trees with a tirfor, try and snatch recover things with chains, etc?
If they're so good, why do the perenties have specific recovery points?
Recovery points and equipment aren't things you should go cheap or 'near enough is good enough on'.
Amongst all the bull**** there is good advice in here, it's in both your best interests and the interests of anyone you go wheeling with to have good solid recovery points and quality gear. :)

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Originally Posted by Islandnomad

I don't have a bulbar, yes Jate Rings. The military swear by them...

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I said bumper bar.

Look at the pic you posted, tell me what's going to happen to the crush can (aluminium thing infront of/above Jate ring) when you load the jate ring up in a snatch scenario (pulling forwards, at a slightly upward angle).

I'll give you a clue, it'll be messy and the idea is Dumb with a capital D.

Jate rings are designed for lashing, they're also meant to be attached to mounts on Defenders, D1's and RRc's which are lower than where you want to bolt them on. Also, their operating angle is designed to be between about 30 and 45 degrees to the horizontal. i.e. not suitable for where that pic shows them mounted.

Lets see, maybe you'll get lucky, the third time.

Oh, Oh, sir, sir, can i answer?

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So, tell me, what's going to happen when you try and snatch off them? Will they not just rotate up into the crush can, distorting it and the bumper bar?

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The crush can pins are aluminum with a small steel centre pin, designed to shear at <500kg (by my previous testing). Several thousand kilograms of force will be applied through the strap, because of it's elastic nature. The vehicle, most likely being submerged to a degree and the rear recovery point of the vehicle in front will force the strap upwards. In addition to the natural whip of the strap as it goes from slack to full elastic deformation in a matter of a second or two, which will be exacerbated by the additional mass of the connecting shackle. The bridle will whip upwards and the outer skin, which is attached to the deformable structure (steel backing) by adhesive tape, will deform and if not immediately detached will at least be weakened if not cracked.

Thanks for the rant club, but I don't talk to abusive members.

Both you and Tombie owe me a public apology for abusing me publically!

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Haha, this reminds of of preschool.

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Originally Posted by clubagreenie

Oh, Oh, sir, sir, can i answer?

The crush can pins are aluminum with a small steel centre pin, designed to shear at <500kg (by my previous testing). Several thousand kilograms of force will be applied through the strap, because of it's elastic nature. The vehicle, most likely being submerged to a degree and the rear recovery point of the vehicle in front will force the strap upwards. In addition to the natural whip of the strap as it goes from slack to full elastic deformation in a matter of a second or two, which will be exacerbated by the additional mass of the connecting shackle. The bridle will whip upwards and the outer skin, which is attached to the deformable structure (steel backing) by adhesive tape, will deform and if not immediately detached will at least be weakened if not cracked.

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Good answer Clubagreenie! Obviously you've been doing your homework!

Now, it's over to Islandnomad to confirm our theory, hopefully we hear back in a little while!

First rule of Rant club; Nobody talks about Rant club... :D


I am unsure of your agenda in this thread, it started with a simple question.

You received several educated responses.

You ignored and argued with Engineering, testing, modeling and facts.

You got upset when people challenged your PUBLIC slander of Philco and his product.

You proposed suggestions, which were (in great detail) provided with feedback. Mostly confirming that they (the suggestions) lacked engineering understanding or Materials knowledge.

YOU continued to argue when all the facts presented indicated that they were not suitable/unsafe/outright dangerous.

YOU assumed the 'meme' posted was about you! (If the shoe fits..... Or something like that).

YOU sent a PM demanding something you likely won't be receiving...

The thread is re-opened, and again technical info is provided...

And AGAIN you refuse to listen, acknowledge the answer, or recognize that people are trying to offer you real world advice, assistance and impart experience and knowledge.

These early responses were given to prevent injury and endangering people and property through incorrect equipment for tasks...

Listen, think, be safe..

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Thanks for the rant club, but I don't talk to abusive members.

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Seems some are more happy with my efforts than not.

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Both you and Tombie owe me a public apology for abusing me publically!

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Mate, I barely got past vaguely irritated at my own persistence in trying, however with the encouragement and positive feedback of others I continued for their benefit as much as yours.

I do not enter into many discussions, when I do I make sure that I am at least as informed as the most intelligent person in the discussion. If I do not know, I will ask, as you have done. And when confronted with a point of view that may differ from what I thought or would even like or prefer to be the outcome I will ask for clarification (as again you did and I provided). I will take this on board with whatever other information, may use for presenting a secondary argument, based on other views I have researched and eventually come to a conclusion that is most likely agreeable. In fact on AULRO I am yet to find something that I have disagreed with after a discussion and explanation. Even in recovery scenarios. In fact I have altered my own setup due to feedback from another here despite the fact that testing proved that it did not alter any physical testing result. I deferred to someone with many years of experience in an industry that uses the same equipment and has practical as well as theoretical knowledge.

So after a private demand for an apology, I'm with Tombie.

When an apology for sheer disregard of everyones efforts here to help you to select the best tool for the job, with the best information possible (provided FOC, considering to have it done would be a few thousand dollars work) is forthcoming we many do the same.

Back to basics.

F=MA