Thread: How to integrate rear indicator lights with pork pies without changing originality?

Originally Posted by chazza

That might suit you Digger - and no you can't have Sixpence!

Cheers Charlie

should I even ask about Penny?

Back to original topic....

I guess everyone has its own solution how to place or add indicator lights. I have had extra light bulbs which just fitted in the Pork Pies and that could have worked. However, I considered the following....

I did not want to tamper too much with the Pork Pies, afraid of destroying its originality, or even breaking it.

Testing with a loosely placed extra bulb in it the idea is technically feasible and does work.

Looking at the effects, it visually does not work well. It is difficult to see the indication and probably confusing for the viewer (if noticed).

I also considered wiring the indicators through the break lights as was suggested. However, this seems to me a similar problem when it comes to other road users seeing you.

Since I am planning to use Hebe as my daily drive I really want to make sure I do the utmost not to get her hurt while keeping her original beauty. Thus, I have concluded that the best solution for me is to have additional lights on removable brackets fitted to the bumper. An idea which originates from chris1983rangie his admirable restoration work. Although these are fixed.

Putting them on removable brackets with connectors will ensure I can go back to full originality for those occaisions where Hebe may be used in a period movie or TV series.

Off topic,

I think the legality discussion is useful. And the decision to go back to full originality or have added lights/colours fitted is to my idea a personal decision. I can imagine that some may sometimes drive around in a rural environment or for classic / club activities, while others may drive a lot in/on busy cities and roads. Everyone will make his her choice,... but when you do keep your safety and your cars survival in mind. Indeed, there are enough users on the road who run into brightly lit trucks and who knows what else.

Off topic 2,

Great, now I got my Hela indicator switch / stalk identified. I am missing the top light cover of it. (see my other post here)

Off topic 3,

For safety purposes I will also ad a hazard light switch. I have an extra instrument light switch I can use for this so that it still will look period.

Off topic 4,

Another kind of safety. My Hebe having swallowed most of my savings I have also added a car alarm. Spy two way radio signal alarm with added microwave sensor. Now if someone sticks his/her hand through my window my keychain (within 5 km) will start beeping in addition to the car alarm going off. Chinese alarm which I found on eBay. I had it working before.

Off topic 5,

Post your final remarks and lets close this thread. I think for the legality issues it would be great if someone starts a new thread that discusses these things for all states. Please keep in mind that we got LR owners in all states and thus your statement/post should clearly indicate which state this refers to.

Thanks guys.....

Kris,

Having a legal resource compilation is a good idea. The general consensus with re registering old vehicles for full road use is that they must conform to any legislation relevant at the time of their manufacture. For Historic or Special Interest registration they should not deviate too much from original manufacturers specifications (there are some exceptions in different States). ADRs refer to post 1973 vehicles primarily (the Second Edition ADRs: Second Edition Australian Design Rules) yet even these supposedly "National" regulations like the Australian Road Rules have been fiddled with and added to in different States and there are exemptions.

The only problem in a forum is that people start posting in it and it goes off topic and becomes a jumble. If there was resource area that could be easily found and only contained the factual information that would be even better.

Your decisions are also the best outcome. Hebe stays as close to original as you can make it, you and your family are safer by fitting indicators (and a hazard light switch) that are pretty universally recognised - and you can remove them when necessary.

Bob

Agreed, the indicators and lighting question keeps popping up so may be worth a sticky? Or a sticky that relates to legalities managed by one of the mods? (submissions to them, then added if worthy?) i MAY STRIP THIS THREAD FOR SOME OF THE SUBMISSIONS ALREADY!..


If nothing else, it shows that we are all passionate (<- SP?) about land rovers!

cheers
Digger

A sticky Wiki?

Bob

Kris

It is a real problem, the most common opt out for veteran, vintage and classic vehicle owners is to fit motorcycle type lamps on stalks so you don't have to modify the vehicle (or drill extra holes).

When I purchased a new wiring loom for my 80" I had them install the flasher wiring. On the rear I planned the motorcycle stalks fitted to an angle bracket which picked up either the bolts on the outside of the rear handles or maybe the pair of bolts on the tab holding the body to the chassis.

On the front, the plan is to make a bracket out of 1" RHS that picks up the bolts holding the bumper to the chassis and extend the motorcycle stalks out in the gap between the front of the mudguard and the rear edge of the bumper bar.

Must get back to finishing that 80", just needs a body paint!