Thread: Cable driven wipers

Originally Posted by UncleHo

G'day COFFEY76

The Series 2a's fitted with cable operated wipers(chassis suffix "D"onwards Neg earth) only had single speed units fitted (Lucas type LU-DR-3A,Rover part No R551226)and it was not self parking, and most 2a's were built before the Australian Design regulation came into force,1971,and only about 1973 was the requirement for 2 speed wipers and twin external rearveiw mirrors included,so if your vehicle in say 1969 then it predates the ADR's by a couple of years and those rules do not affect your vehicle, as the ADR's are NOT retrospective.

Que?

I had a number SIIa, none were subject to or affixed with compliance plates and the cable operated wipers were all self parking.

The SIII still had single speed wipers up until the late 1970's even though the brochures suggested that they had two speed. The ones in the vehicles weren't.

If you need 2 speed wipers, get the motor, switch and wiring harness from a SIII Stage 1 and fit that. They are direct swap and you don't have a problem with the angle of the sweep. (And they self park.)

As stated, ADRs are not (in general*) retrospective, and all 2as predate ADRs. And I agree with Diana, no 2as had two speed wipers, and all cable operated wipers are (supposed to be) self parking.

One point worth noting though is that ADRs applicable to cars and commercial vehicles (including all Series + 90/110 + Defender) are different. A good example of this is currently the lack of child restraint anchorages and airbags in Defenders. This is probably why despite two speed wipers being a requirement in 1973, they did not appear in Series 3 until later.

* Particularly before the supposedly national ADRs, there were a few retrospective changes made to equipment requirements. A couple of them that I have encountered myself were the retrofitting of reflectors to all vehicles in about 1957 in NSW, and in 1967 I was required to fit a second wiper to a 1961 2a, also in NSW.

John

Coffey76, I'm not sure what motor you have fitted but is the engineer taking the approach that the car may go faster than original and therefore it needs 2 speed wipers ?
A friend fitted a big Ford motor in an old Land Rover many years ago and one of the things he had to do at the time was fit 2 speed wipers along with servo assisted brakes....

If the car is left standard you wouldn't have to change so I guess the only question is whether the motor you are fitting potentially increases the speed/performance over original, or is it just an opportunity for the engineer to get the car to meet more modern ADR's.

Mick, regarding seatbelts. Vicroads list the start date for compulsory seatbelts in a passenger car as 1/1/1969. Details are on 'Vehicle Standards Information 26' I have a .pdf of this but cannot find it on the VicRoads website.
If you fit seatbelts to a car that has never had them fitted originally I guess you would need an engineers report.


Regards,

Colin

Originally Posted by COFFEY76

require the motor to be engineered (therefore the whole car)

I've had a browse through this thread & couldn't see what you engine is fitted to your Landy.

When fitting a bigger motor in Morries, I need to fit 2 speed wipers, bigger brakes, seat belts, demister......

I can only assume that you have fitted a bigger motor than standard so 2 speed wipers seems like it might be a requirement in your state.

2 speed motors are fairly easy to fit but you need to match the sweep angle. This can be done by searching for the right motor, adapting yours to take the 2 speed motor or by fitting the cable drive pin in a different spot.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

As stated, ADRs are not (in general*) retrospective, and all 2as predate ADRs. And I agree with Diana, no 2as had two speed wipers, and all cable operated wipers are (supposed to be) self parking.

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In general you're correct, however during my V8 SIIa conversion I too was required to fit 2 speed wipers, heater demister with two speeds, washer bottle and they required me to remove the inwards facing seats in the rear of the station wagon.

So at least my SIIa had two speed wipers. Eventually.

As Scouse says the problem I had was the sweep angle. Getting 2 speeds was easy as a lot of contemporary cars had Lucas 2 speed cable wipers.
What I did for mine was to acquire a motor from a Morris Marina, after unsuccessfully trying to get a drive with the correct sweep angle I reverted to Scouse's suggestion of moving the drive pin in the drive wheel inside the motor housing.

To get a switch that matched the look of the SIIa Suffix G & H* instrument panels I modified a headlamp switch so that it would supply power to the park circuit with the switch in the Off position.


* The instrument panel changed with the suffix D - but my vehicles fitted with the 2 speed wipers were Suff G and Suff H.

G'day Folks

My 1968 Series 11a (military spec) suffix"D" still has it's original rectangular wiper motor,and it is single speed non self parking,(suffix D &E inclusive) the later round wiper motors were (LU75664,Rover 606013*)were used from suffix "F"onwards.

*indicates new part not used on any previous Rover model

And as JDNSW stated that the ADR's for cars differed slightly to those required for commercial chassied vehicles which Landrover were classed as.

In Qld seatbelts were not required to be fitted until 1/1/1972 in commercial vehicles.E.I a December registered 1971 Falcon ute did not require belts BUT a 1/1/1972 Falcon ute did, it caused a lot of problems at the time and a lot of new owners had them retro fitted during the warranty period, as they were fined heavily when travelling interstate.

cheers

Originally Posted by UncleHo

G'day Folks

My 1968 Series 11a (military spec) suffix"D" still has it's original rectangular wiper motor,and it is single speed non self parking,(suffix D &E inclusive) the later round wiper motors were (LU75664,Rover 606013*)were used from suffix "F"onwards. <snip>

This is interesting, as our 1950's Rover 90 had the square motor Lucas cable wipers and was self parking.

I also fitted a cable wiper motor system from a 1950's Morris Minor to my 1950 80" and that system was also self parking.

I wonder why Rover Co. would fit non self parking cable wipers to the suffix D Land Rover in 1967? Confuses the hell out of me!

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

This is interesting, as our 1950's Rover 90 had the square motor Lucas cable wipers and was self parking.

I also fitted a cable wiper motor system from a 1950's Morris Minor to my 1950 80" and that system was also self parking.

I wonder why Rover Co. would fit non self parking cable wipers to the suffix D Land Rover in 1967? Confuses the hell out of me!

I refer to my original comment that they were supposed to be self parking. Interestingly, looking at the wiring diagrams, a significant change to the wiring when the wiper motor changed was that the earlier one had the switch in the earth circuit, the later one in the live circuit. This means only the self parking on the earlier one depends on the earthing of the motor - in the later circuit, a faulty earth means the wipers don't work. Maybe this explains the perception that some were not self parking?

John