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    The UK Series 2 Club asking for help.

    Hi,

    A quick introduction and first post. I'm a vehicle examiner for the Series 2 Club in the UK, and work to the Club Vehicle Registration Officer. Our voluntary job is to examine Series 2, 2A, vehicles and submit 'proof of age' reports to the UK Vehicle Licensing authority (DVLA). In the majority of cases we are successful in persuading the powers that be, regarding the date of manufacture of a Series Land Rover.

    Recently the DVLA have rejected a CKD (Complete Knock Down) Series One Land Rover which had undergone a club vehicle examination, had a Club 'Proof of Age' report, and a British Motor Museum Heritage Certificate showing details of when the CKD Kit was crated and despatched. It appears that DVLA are currently viewing a vehicle examination (only in respect of CKD vehicles) as merely confirming that the vehicle is built of 1963 parts, and not of the date when the CKD Kit has been finally assembled.

    The consequence in the UK is that DVLA could allocate a 'Q' Registration plate, which is highly undesirable, as this identifies the vehicle as of 'indeterminate age' and vehicle insurance can be difficult or very expensive to obtain. The value of a classic vehicle can also be adversely affected by a 'Q' plate. The DVLA can also dictate that said vehicle should be subjected to an 'IVA'....Individual Vehicle Assessment procedure before Registration, which (owing to vehicle build features) a Series 2 / 2A Land Rover cannot pass.

    So guys, I need your help. How do I prove when an Australian CKD Series 2 /2A vehicle was actually built together as a completed vehicle? Somehow, I need documentary evidence that I can show to DVLA, a Government Agency.

    I've been in contact with REMLR, and I think I'm sorted for Australian Military CKD vehicles, as the build date is stamped on the military plate. I'm aware of the NSW and Victorian Registration Authorities, though the applicant would be required to pursue this line of enquiry and meet the relevant costs of providing the information.

    Do the Grenville Records still exist? Anyone got copies? What about the Pressed Metal Corporation, Sydney records? Are these still available?

    At this stage, whilst I would dearly like copies of whatever is available for 1958 -1972 (Series 2 / 2A) vehicles, I merely seek to identify WHAT is actually available, and whether that information could be provided in documentary form on a vehicle by vehicle basis.

    Thanks for any help or guidance you can provide.

    Chris
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    Cheers rangieman,

    In the UK all vehicles are licensed by the one Govt. Agency.

    Of course, they make mistakes, there are typo errors in the vehicle records, missing details....etc, but everything is controlled by the one agency. The centralised computer records are pretty much complete from about 1977, prior to that details can sometimes be recovered by searching old paper records from the Local Vehicle Licensing Departments in the regional County Archives.

    It's sometimes difficult trying to fathom the system used in a different country.

    I'll copy the above web-links to the Series 2 Club files. Thanks again.

    Chris

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    One likely issue with State authorities in Australia is that some (all?) of them do not have pre-digital records available. And this would apply to all vehicles that were off the road before the records went digital, probably the majority of Series 2/2a.

    I believe that Lotz-a-Landys on this forum has access to some Grenville motors records.

    Annand and Thompson records (Queensland) records were lost in a flood, I believe.

    For individual vehicles some previous owners may still possess paperwork, but tracking this down is likely to be difficult.

    I suggest that for Australian vehicles the best approach, if it works, would be to convince DVLA to adopt as a policy that CKD vehicles shipped to Australian assemblers were invariably built as rapidly as possible after arrival. This was undoubtedly the case, at least for Series 2/2a, as there was a shortage of these vehicles throughout production, and this was especially acute in Australia, as this included the period in which the Australian Army built up its fleet of Landrovers (Vietnam!), and during this period Rover rationed deliveries to each country, so the shortage was especially acute for Australian buyers - leading, in fact to the first use of Japanese vehicles to fill the gap. It is inconceivable that any CKD kits would not have been assembles as rapidly as possible.

    Hope this helps.
    John

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