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  1. 9th August 2010, 05:14 PM #1
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    90" Stage one Moral dilemma

    Moral dilemma! I have taken a liking to the sort wheel base series 3 wagons and utes, they seem so cute and no doubt capable off road! I was wondering if anyone has ever cut down a stage one into one of these little 90” nippers and would it be legal in Qld? This brings me to the moral dilemma of cutting down a good condition, rust free and very clean stage one V8, I mean are they worth anything anyway? I might try and line up a drive of one of these shorties to see if they are easy to park and have a decent turning circle, after all a 3 point turn means about 6 for my 109. Any idears and thoughts on this matter would be appreciated, I’m not going to run out to the shed right now and start cutting yet, just starting a little ground work for an idear.
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  2. 9th August 2010, 05:36 PM #2
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    Got any more piccys, the ute looks great. Love the winch bumper as well. It suits the overall look.
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    I was just reading a thread from a bloke in Qld doing a similar thing to a RRC chassis and a stage 1 body cut to 100in(with a blown v8) ,bumblebee was the ute title maybe contact him for some info?
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    I think the factory did 29 88 inch Stage 1 Land Rovers
    I understand that 24 ended up in Trinidad
    I have pictures of another one in some far flung country not sure where



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    A SWB series is 88".

    IME the only advantages of an 88" over a 109" are the shorter turning circle and faster acceleration.

    In most cases 88's are WORSE offroad. They are much less stable on steep uphill or downhill slopes. Also, the longer wheelbase is generally an advantage on most obstacles.

    They are also less comfortable - as you get more pitching over bumps.
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    I'm going to disagree with Ben here, and say IME a 90 is a lot more capable in most situations than a 110.

    Also just so you know in case you dont the wheelbase of a 90 is 92.9"

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    has anyone done or seen any actual real life comparisons offroad between LWB and SWB models? Stock Defender 90 vs Stock Defender 110 or 88 Series vs 109 Series?
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    Quote Originally Posted by series3 View Post
    has anyone done or seen any actual real life comparisons offroad between LWB and SWB models? Stock Defender 90 vs Stock Defender 110 or 88 Series vs 109 Series?
    I remember a hill at Emu Ck 4x4 park where a double locked 88" soft top tried to flip over backwards when driving up a hill. 100", 109" and 110" vehicles had no such issue.

    I have also been on trips where swb and 100" vehicles had lots of issues driving up hills where lwb vehicles walked up.

    There are also a few vids on youtube of swb landies doing endos going down hills.

    I have also seen 88's do unintentional 180o turns on steep, greasy hills.
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    Anything that made my 109 LESS comfortable would be enough to put me off!
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    So, about "stage one's" question.

    Frankly I think that unless you really want to take this on as special project, rather than as an attempt to improve what is there, then you are possibly better off converting a Rangie classic to 100". I don't think it is necessarily sacriligeous but the amount of work is not trivial, and for only moderate gain.

    The arguments about whether longer or shorter is better illustrates that there is no clear advantage either way and much comes down to your own needs, driving style, terrain you cover, etc. Instead, consider these things and decide whether you want to take this on. As for whether it's road legal, you would need to get an engineer's certification for all the changes you will need to make, at the least. So planning is a first requirement.

    Making it an 88" is going have other important problems such as the angle of the rear drive line. This was an issue with the 88" Stage 1's sent to Trinidad. The usual Salisbury diff was too long so they were fitted with standard series III rear diffs instead. The engine was also tilted IIRC take reduce the angle to the diff.

    If I were going to do anything to the chassis on mine it would be to whack the rear off up to the leaf hangers. It frequently hits the dirt. The entry angle could be improved with some judicious sculpting too.

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